HotS -- more skill or luck?


#11

2,5 is 50%luck50%skill stay away from it


#12

I cany chill…always pop up someone " not exactly a precise person"…and to say this…i cant be patience vs such young gamers anymore…( wich had less that 12,13 years game life).
You cant understand me…i meet so many of them for my 20 years game life.
I dislike such young gamers/peoples wich are NOT had perfectly astimation ( 20 % game skill , 80 % team) .
Lets take one example about real life sports…
" 3 so old ,high xp-ed sportists + …inv in his team 2 low skiled ,short time in sport( beginer sportits) “…
“What would be result?!”…
" This team will beat other teams easly?!”…
and enswer is " NO"…because these 2 low sklled,short time period in this sport or low xp-ed…WILL NOT ALLOW OF THESE OTHER
3 HIS TEAM SPORTISTS , TO HAVE HIGH A CHANCE TO WON MATCH"…
Do you understand now my point now?!
A ?! DO YOU UNDERSTAND ?!
This guy @RozZy DID SAID RATIO BETWEEN TEAM AND GAME SKILL , TEAM HAD HIGH FACTOR THAN GAME SKILL!!!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME NOW AGAIN?!?!


#13

You need to learn how to write. It is close to impossible to get your point across when you mix symbols with wrong words with sentences that makes no sense


#14

I think the issue isn’t just winning alone, rather the randomness of teammates and the dependence of your teams win/loss on the weakest link as opposed to the strongest link.

I have had a few occasions where my teammates annoyed me (let me die, ignored my pings, told me I sucked because I died alone at obj…) and I proceeded to ignore them too and simply did my own thing. Within minutes the game is usually lost, simply because I didn’t care and they could not do much 4v5.

As for the topic, I would say 1 out of 5. This primarily because I can win 55% of my games at Plat, but win only 50% at Silver and be stuck in gold for 3 months…


#15

How do you explain high master/gm players who will always be 80%+ winrate at low ranks?


#16

" How to explain?!"…
Simple …in Bronze,silver exist so many master game skilled players…i dont now exactly what is %…but fact they exist is enough…


#17

You didnt even understand the point


#18

Don’t think they will always be at 80%. And that can only really be achieved with a small number of heroes that they ‘abuse’. Falstad, Genji etc. Noobkiller heroes.


#19

This is quite easy.You have lower committed people in lower ranks,as i’ve said already by my experience since i came back to the game. People with absolute garbage net,bad pc,and afk’s,leavers, who play it during there off time and maybe then people who are just bad at mobas so they never raise.Something you cant pull off in higher ranks since those people take the game serous and the time they spend in it.So it comes to no surprise when they perform quite well in lower ranks.
It still doesnt prove your point how its about skill and not luck,when it comes to lower skill ranks.(in a dwindling player base game like hots)
It’s been the case in HS,WoW rank,WoW m+,where people who perform on higher skill lvls perform quite well in lower ranks.


#20

As you said - people are bad at low ranks. This is true. There are ranks which tell the skill level of that player.

Now the orginal question was is hots skill or luck based game. Some people said it is based on luck. Well you just said people are bad at low ranks and bad means literally they have low skill. If skill dont matter in hots it would be irrelevant if someone is bad. Therefore hots is skill based game.

Some people got this delusional mindset at lower ranks that luck has more to do with the game than it actually does. The reason for this is that they lack self critism and self awareness. They are not able to understand their own misstakes in game and the impact within those misstakes. It creates false, delusional view that game is based on luck which in reality luck plays a lot smaller role in the game many believe in.


#21

from personal experience, bronze 1 - plat you will meet players of all skill levels, and I’m not even talking about smurfs here


#22

No, my point was to confirm that with your skill in lower ranks,there are better odd’s for you to win,i.e you could do some playss that will make your 4 team m8’s play better and motivate them,and in that case the better luck factor is that the 5 opposite players will rage quit,harass and turn into toxic environment,these are the “luck” factor//or odd’s people keep refering too and you play against.Somehow people keep missing or not seeing the point.You are playing your odd’s in a random 9 man match.With skill in lower ranks your chances are higher,but that doesnt nullify everything in between the point’s of “luck” people referred to in the thread and skill.
Also just to make it clear,since i dont want to have any lose end’s.In higher rank the “luck” factor is lower,since people in ML and lower league still take the game serious and with dedication.And the “luck” factor simply comes with dc,net,pc and the matchmaking rigged system.


#23

If you are skilled enough you can easily still win in low ranks eventho couple of team mates do their own thing, rage or even leave the game. Therefore skill has a lot bigger role than luck


#24

Pandagic is absolutely correct

I am Bronze 5 and get matched up often with the absolute worst of teams that don’t even soak

While the enemy team often plays like professionals

I discovered that me myself going out there and soaking

For example even soaking two lanes as Abathur

Makes a world of difference because it allows my team to get ahead despite how bad they are

And they more than likely end up winning team-fights due to that advantage

One person CAN make a difference in this game

It just takes an huge amount of skill to be able to go and kill the whole enemy team all by yourself compared to something like Dota 2 where it simply feels like you’re cheating if you managed to get a gold and experience advantage

The beautiful thing about Heroes of the Storm is that when you level up your whole team benefits from it too

No matter how bad they are

And that’s beautiful because bad teammates hold you back way less if you can keep gaining experience instead of feeding it

Going for the enemy core solo if no one is defending it is also the mark of a skilled player

They don’t waste time on pointless team-fights because they know breaking the core is what you need to do to win the game

Even objectives come second to that


#25

Yeah …right…but you are half right about that…
Do you know why?!:slight_smile:
You did said alone…" in Bronze 5 enemy team play often like proffesionals"…:wink:
( this is proof why old system is bad,exist so many Bronze players ,wich play like Master,plus that many peoples not have this so long free time to spend in game,this different problem topic,i dislike this so long time ladder system)

What you would say about that now?!:slight_smile:

Dont forget im too Bronze 5 ,but i play from open beta.
That mean im too add to this part of Bronze 5 proffesionals players . :wink:

Yeah…right …@Pandagic is right about game skill and luck.
90 % is game skill ,10 % is luck


#26

Do you

really

have to make

huge spaces

after every sentence

or even in the middle

of them?


#27

What are you are describing is probably not spaces

I just press ENTER

I am glad you tried it out for yourself :slight_smile:


#28

Anyone with bit of brain can get 60%+ winrate as long as they use both hands (and don’t masturbate while gaming). Anyone tryharding with a brain can get 70%+ winrate, so no its pretty much 4/5 overall.


#29

It takes up “space” as in “make huge spaces”. Just put a dot and move on with the sentence. Pressing Enter after every single thing, will just make it horrendous to read and also make the post unnecessary long.


#30

Make me

Alright I will