Sylvanas and how they killed the game with her


#9

Dmg cutted
spell CD up
range down
spread nerfed
passive partly useless

Yea if anything she’s a gimmick assassin now.


#10

We want first sylvanas :slight_smile: everytime they make her worse.


#11

considering greedy blizzard pulled devs from hots to develop mobile games and make money on micro transactions, I don’t think they care much about you deleting that game folder.


#12

Blizzard has already pulled the plug now they just want until costs exceed revenue, while maintaining a minimum lvl of support


#13

One of my favourite characters and now she’s garbage. I think the real issue is that most of her talents, and damage, relies on getting 3 stacks of her trait before she starts doing anything serious. On a target dummy this yields great results but in a realistic teamfight it really hampers her. Her new Mind Control is a pretty damn terrible change. If they wanted to stop it being point-and-click it would have been fine as a skillshot if they kept the old one’s functionality. Withering Fire is just… What? What were they thinking with that? The changes to her pushing ability I can kiiiiinda understand because they balance things around lowtier QM players (Stealth rework being a prime example) but it still guts the core identity of Sylvanas as a hero in HOTS and her PvE ability was unique amongst MOBAs. She should still be the splitpush queen even if they wanted to be rid of her always-on building stun but she can’t be with what they’ve done to Wailing Dagger. No longer can you just throw that thing and clear a whole wave from safety like, say, a Zagara can, you have to endanger yourself and expose yourself to poke in order to waveclear.

Transforming her into what she is now, a binary choice of talent paths between a subpar sustain-damage assassin and a subpar 1v1 duelist, was an awful mistake and it hasn’t been a success. Number tweaking won’t cut it.


#14

Agree. Worst rework ever.
https://i.imgur.com/vJw40FV.jpg


#15

One of my favourite characters and now she’s garbage.
=> well she’s more noob friendly a good finisher with strong push ability, with the current game mecanics (new forts keeps and lanes and catapult) she just couldn’t stay the same you’d have to be blind not to see it

I think the real issue is that most of her talents, and damage, relies on getting 3 stacks of her trait before she starts doing anything serious.
=> on level 7 the wave apply three stack to everybody who take it. Well timed with a dagger you just spread massive DoT.
On a target dummy this yields great results but in a realistic teamfight it really hampers her.
=> not really you counter squish so easyli plus you can finish them off.
Her new Mind Control is a pretty damn terrible change. If they wanted to stop it being point-and-click it would have been fine as a skillshot if they kept the old one’s functionality.
=> the new MC is just overpowered in every way possible it’s a skillshot ult period.
Withering Fire is just… What? What were they thinking with that? The changes to her pushing ability I can kiiiiinda understand because they balance things around lowtier QM players (Stealth rework being a prime example) but it still guts the core identity of Sylvanas as a hero in HOTS and her PvE ability was unique amongst MOBAs.
=> THe auto target on hero is what make her efficient to finish squish
She should still be the splitpush queen even if they wanted to be rid of her always-on building stun but she can’t be with what they’ve done to Wailing Dagger. No longer can you just throw that thing and clear a whole wave from safety like, say, a Zagara can, you have to endanger yourself and expose yourself to poke in order to waveclear.
=> That’s what her special abilty is all about depush just push the button and old sylvanas is back
Transforming her into what she is now, a binary choice of talent paths between a subpar sustain-damage assassin and a subpar 1v1 duelist, was an awful mistake and it hasn’t been a success. Number tweaking won’t cut it.
=> To begin with most of the hero in the game are like that some don’t even have 2 correct builds. And previously it was exactly the same why is it a problem what were the thousands of build choices that you think were here ? I personnaly think it’s a good rework.


#16

I loved Sylvanas.
One of my first and favorite heroes to play.

Many people have gone into detail on x and y and how things are different and how the new version does z or whatever.

The truth is - old Sylvanas was fun.
New Sylvanas does not feel fun to play.

Does anything else need to be said?


#17

Well, I played Sylvanas since she was introduced. I was a huge fan of that hero, but then she slowly faded and became literally useless. Especially after ammo rework, I used her only in vs AI if I needed to do some quest or event fast and she matched the quest requirements. Otherwise really rarely in QM when I was in mood for her.

But since her rework I started to play her again. She is quite a beast. Her burst is amazing, especially with stacked W. Surely, she is not that good in push anymore, but she is true banshee queen again. I simply love how she plays now.

I understand if you don’t like her playstyle now, because she changed a lot. But it’s much better than her pre-rework useless state imho. None of our opinions matter tho, because game will die out pretty soon without devs and pro scene anyway :smiley:


#18

I have spent some time playing the new hero actually I lvled her up again :expressionless: from 16 to 18 to see if there is a way to feel like the old sylv but the old sylv is gone… true she has a lot more dmg but she can no longer solo on lanes like she did before she is more of an assassin now which isn’t very pleasing but I guess it can do still in fights she can deal dmg but she has no scaping abilities so she can’t really fight she is more of a 1v1 hero now and I don’t like that much though in late game around lvl 16 she can get OP but still not someone u can have in fights and the Q ability takes too long to fire :expressionless: like tooooooo long. and now she takes no benefits from minions or heroes dying, the old sylv used to take Q charges but the new one takes nothing they forgot that she is not just the banshee queen but also queen of the forsaken AKA undead meaning the death of her enemies should give her more stuff.


#19

Only bad Sylvanas soloed on lanes before tho. She was the worst solo laner on the roster and it was much better to use her with the main group to pressure and push. She could solo only against bad teams/comps.

edit: If you are talking about alpha/beta sylvanas tho, then you can ignore my comment.


#20

I completely agree with everything said here:

Here’s hoping the HotS team learns from Hearthstone’s examples and doesn’t afraid to make core changes in key areas the community has mentioned they think need attention.

It’s interesting to consider the possibility of adding a new game-wide mechanic - like items.


#21

Hi I like my special order to be downgraded to “Plain bread with a different color”

Jokes aside, no. Items do help with variaty but I think thats the talent systems point. Atleast it was suppose to.
It was suppose to make you decide per level if you wanted more utlity, more defense or more damage. That was the core concept.
It didn’t work well so now we have “talent builds” , “Combo builds” or “Heroes with 1 build but 1 or 2 interchangable talents” (looking at you Ana)

As for everyone saying Sylvanas been nerfed to the ground.
Old Sylvanas was someone you couldn’t leave alone. She became the reason Haunted Mines was pulled from Rotation. As her specialist powers were too great vs other specialists in the game.
Other specialists slowly could compete against her when her drain ammo talent was removed sicne others could drain the ammo of towers and forts faster then her. Infact… sometimes her stun became a determent since it made towers conserve their ammo!

Ammo system became removed and who was the 1st to get an instant rework? Sylvanas. After already getting 1. Why? Cause without Ammo drain possibilities… she is the only one who can shut down lanes with her W and E easily.
So ti became auto attack only and i was fine with this.

But now they downgraded her specialist too much in my opinion too.
But they brought back her damage from the old days.
I never played Sylvanas to push lanes… I always played her as a DPS assassin with a building stun. And that’s what she is now.

If her talent was the only reason she was good… you never knew her that well.
I seen all her itterations and I will say her 1st major rework BROKE her dps and improved her siegability… now they reverse it again.


#22

Lisent up so old and high game xp-ed like Bax and me( Brutalnot).
Alright…lets look whole siuacione with different point…
For an axample you are new player in game and start play her a lot and practic…after long time you start habituate with her and current versione and start think about her…“damnt this heroe is so good”.
Mine point is …problem in yours thinking a not in changes !! BECAUSE EXIST SO TERRIBLE PLAYERS LIKE YOU HERE IN THIS SYLVANAS TOPIC!!
JESUS… YOU ARE SO MANY AND I DONT CARE WHAT THINK ABOUT MINE POINT.
I ALSO PLAYED NEW SYLVANAS AND I CANT AGREE WITH YOU (NOT YOU Bax)… ALMOST EVERYONE HERE IN THIS TOPIC.
THAT WHY WE CANT CLIMP UP…BECAUSE YOURS SH.T THINKING!!!
And Bax… you chear up me man…(“gave me five”) SAY AT THESE “GREEN”," YOUNG",“DEATH BRAINED” FROGS"…
Damnt im feel tired from them…


#23

You guys are s h.it…wtf you think?! She now have now slow,stun, dagger ignore armor talents,heal builds…and his old mind control was unfair(100% kill). Enswer me what other heroic skill can help for 100% kill?! And 100 % kill means everytime whenever be used,not by a chance and astimatione when be used in right time!!! DONT TRY TO THINK! .She now is so good! Thinking is not for you,even dont try! Im not surprised why i cant climp up in Ranked…cause yours sh.t thinking.


#24

Welcome to the Chen club.

Then again, we still have our barrel, so we’re probably more useful than you right now. Ouch.


#25

Well, if you notice, the SPECIALIST concept has been removed,

this game is a TEAM PLAY ,
before, sylvana players would stick to a lane n do siege damage keeping a blind eye to the entire map,

I know a sylvana player, i mean in recent time, last game i played with him was 3 days ago, i call him GOD SYLVANA , with approx 10 kills, and massive damage, along with gud siege damage,

shes now a badass assasin with a specialist’s touch with her disabling forts n keep thingy,

shes much better than ever before, but only people who play HOTS as a team game would see tht,

those who play on single lane all day long, would obviously be pissed :slight_smile:


#26

Nova is fine her q build is quite fun. But yeah Played Sylv like 5 time after rework never played after. lvl 26 Sylv


#27

Sylvanas was in need of a rework

Most people who played her used to just use her disable building gimmick to push solo and be absolutely useless when doing everything else

Now more people are compelled to help the team

And choosing talents that help with pushing is still an option

She is just not the wrecking ball against structures she used to be

With that said she has gotten many upgrades which help when it comes to fighting against heroes and helping the team out

The freedom to choose to build heroes according to the situation and teamwork has been what Heroes of the Storm has been about from the very start

If people opened their eyes and looked at the game from a fresh perspective

Without letting the people who ramble on about how the game is dying influence your opinions

You would see that this game is still fun to play

Most of you who read this just know that there is still something about this game that leaves you unable to simply leave

And isn’t that truly wonderful?

In my heart I know that this game still has the makings of a fun game even if a lot of things we disagree with have happened lately

Have hope people!

Even if one day this game we love no longer exists

I for one would like to say my farewells to it smiling instead of drowning in hatred

If you give in to hatred

You are letting Mephisto win


#28

It is better to uninstall via launcher or control panel, shift deleting won’t delete all unseen things from temp or registry.

Just sayin.