A typical example of "Elo Hell" experience

ChatGPT can only use information that available.

So if something exists, that information would be out there. And as such ChatGPT will reference it.

Please stop misusing and thus watering down this word.

Elo hell doesn’t exist. Telling someone that isn’t an attempt to manipulate someone using psychological methods… It’s telling them elo hell isn’t a thing. There’s no psychology there.

Well said - ChatGPT is the modern day equivalent of using the random results of a search engine to validate an argument…

Wouldn’t be surprised if it even pulls from Overwatch forum results as well as part of its data which would be ironic…

ChatGPT itself states: “ChatGPT may give you inaccurate information.”

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I am not surprised, given his history, that Hulk thinks this… As a firm believer of the “theories” he is quite likely to find was to dismiss the source rather than counter it.

Here are the sources ChatGPT actually uses. Rather than what ever it is he tried to claim.

  • Books and Academic Papers: Information from published books, research papers, and other scholarly articles.
  • Websites and Online Articles: Data from reputable websites, blogs, news articles, and other online content.
  • Encyclopedias and Reference Materials: Data from general knowledge sources like encyclopedias and dictionaries.
  • Licensed Data: Information from sources that OpenAI has licensed.

If it was pulling from the Overwatch forums, it would be telling people these theories are correct, or at least referencing that people have evidence.

Websites and Reference material = The very forums we’re posting on right now.

ChatGPT like all chat AI responds based on user input, and if you lead the AI you get the response you want (This has actually been proven in multiple youtube videos), not a response that holds any truth to it or one based on facts.

ChatGPT can and should be dismissed in any debate, because people tend to use it when they run out of arguments. On top of that, it specifically states that it is important to make sure you check the information provided and compare it to actual sources to verify that the information is correct, since ChatGPT can and often times do make mistakes and because people can exploit it to get the answer they want to fit the user’s personal narrative.

Elo hell is real but it’s complicated. There are multiple factors that play in.

Elo hell is when you get constantly thrown into lobbies with cheaters and smurfs on the enemy team (Most noticable in low rank lobbies), or when you get throwers, leavers, derankers and fresh players (again most noticable in low ranks) on your team.

That’s literally what creates elo hell. That’s literally where the term elo hell came from, from being stuck in a specific rank due to the aforementioned reasons above.

What you have to say about it is of no importance since you’re wrong either way and refuse to admit that you’re wrong.

You, trying to use ChatGPT to fit your own personal narrative and to desperately dismiss elo hell, is just wrong on every level of wrong.

ChatGPT is not a source.

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“a place, person, or thing from which something originates or can be obtained.”

Seeing as it was obtained from there. It is a dictionary definition “source”.

Yep…

Shouldn’t even have to tell him this as it’s so obvious…

ChatGPT has its uses - for example I could ask it to draft an “argument for third person mode” and it would give me a nice little essay - but anyone who uses it to claim “xyz is a fact” should be dismissed immediately…

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And yet it’s still given a better argument as to why elo hell isn’t really a thing.

Still waiting for you to show why it is a thing, rather than poorly trying to discredit things.

All you’ve added is cat emojis…

The facts are right in front of us, just look at all the threads created in this comp forum, and how many % of them that are about bad matchmaking and forced streaks.
And just read Blizzard’s statements.

1. Blizzard developers have confirmed that the matchmaking system matches low-skilled players with other, much more skilled players.

"Overwatch 2 Server Engineer Morgan Maddren explained that while most OW2 matches appear balanced to the matchmaker, some games still heavily favor one team. Previously, the matchmaker did not account for streaks, resulting in players who had just lost several games being placed in highly unfavorable matches that would just continue their losing streak."

I mean, read this sentence; “players who had just lost several games being placed in highly unfavorable matches.”

This tells us that the matchmaking system deliberately places players in “highly unfavorable matches”. But why? How does that make any sense out of a balanced matchmaking perspective?

How can they say that they are working hard on improving matchmaking, when they deliberately makes matches unbalanced?

Here’s another statement from the same article:

This just felt like a bad match for us to be making. It seems less likely to be a fun match. So all this change is doing is telling the matchmaker to stop making those matches, just avoiding this case we think is bad.**” He clarified that the developers’ focus was on balancing, not simply eliminating the “loser’s queue.”


Why make unfavorable matches in the first place?

And apparently, there is something called “Loser’s queue”, that hasn’t been eliminated.
What could that be, if not forced losses?

“Since most matches will have a team that has a slightly higher chance of winning, placing a player on the team with the higher chance who is currently on a losing streak is aimed at helping them have a fair chance of breaking that streak,”

And now we know why we sometimes get completely useless players on our teams, that makes it impossible to win games.

Unfortunately, I can’t include links here to the sources. But the statements can easily be found in various posts on gaming news sites or just by copy/paste the quotes here and search for them.

But there is one question that I believe summarizes this entire mess;

Why not just let people play and not mess around with either handicaps or uphill battles?

Blizzard calls the matchmaking system “complex”, and no wonder they do, because they made an overcomplicated mess out of it.

I have also done my own research and experiments, and I’m confident that “Elo Hell” exists, which indirectly is confirmed by the above statements.

But I’ll say fair enough, because it makes sense too, since it’s a brilliant, and perhaps the only way to maintain a balance between the rank tiers.
And don’t forget, we don’t have to pay a cent to play the game, so how can we complain?

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@Jarhead well said my friend well said…

It’s all rigged…

:pouting_cat: :+1:

It isn’t though. You perceive it as being so, but it isn’t.

If you truly believed that, and it wasn’t just an act, you wouldn’t spend the time, effort and resources you do playing this game.

You have been fed so many arguments, experiences and even proof of what the majority of this forum is posting about. But it doesn’t matter what the arguments are or if you get proper proof smashed right into your face. Because you are not commenting to discuss anything.

Why should anyone bother explaining anything to you, when you never read the threads or the comments properly or even care to try to understand a different perspective than your own. You just throw around your cocky, self-claimed expertise all over the forum, and it’s directly comparable to the experience of watching a repulsive and smelly manure spreader on a massive field.

The fact that you don’t read either the topic of the thread or the comments properly, shows that you don’t care about helping anyone. You try to make other users look stupid by using a condescending attitude, claiming that they have no clue, that they live in some kind of fantasy, and that they are just very bad players. But the fact that you refer to ChatGPT as an authoritative source, shows that you are exceptionally clueless and that you don’t have anything to back up your own nonsense with.

You are just wasting your own and other’s time, objectively being nearly useless to this forum. And since I now realise this, you won’t waste more of my time on you. So don’t comment on anything I post, unless you want to waste your own time.

I’ve read a lot of your comments across the OW forum, and you are spending some serious time here. You seem comfortable here, like an authority, and a legend that users should know and respect. Perhaps many new users in the forum think that you are an authority since you act so confident in the way you correct users in the forum.

I think that you just care about giving yourself an artificial confidence boost by acting out on your fantasy authority, and it’s most likely because of one of two reasons.

  1. You seem to have found a place where you believe that you shine and thrive, like a safe sanctuary where you can act out and be someone that you struggle with being in real life.

  2. This is who you are, in both worlds, a personality disorder that actually has a name.

Narcissist - a self–centered personality style characterized as having an excessive preoccupation with oneself and one’s own needs, often at the expense of others. There are also more extreme forms, observable particularly in excessively self-absorbed people”

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In relation to this thread. No. As elo hell isn’t a thing. Is a perception of things going on.

As for time spent… Just look at the time you wasted writing that.

Doesn’t matter what you think of me, not interested in your personal affections. Elo hell isn’t a thing.

Using chatgpt to back up your argument is so fundamentally flawed LOL. Critical thinking cannot be that hard mate.

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Take it up with hulk for doing it then, because I don’t care.

Using a tool to sum up points just save time.

Either way, elo hell still isn’t a thing.