Crowd control and brigitte

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That’s called bad teammates.

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You know that I’ve not exactly been all that secretive about having multiple accounts to play with all my friends across SR’s, as much as you know I’m right about the whole “me doing what you said proves nothing”, either.

So what if I go Mei now and destroy people like I have before; If we’re going to pull out those cards again - fine

You’re still a Roadhog main who openly admits being unable to deal with a character you’re supposed to counter while yo-yo’ing around low Diamond.

So far for the “look at my rank”-creds, and look at how much this added to the topic; You’re back to being a scrub who can’t argue without attacking people personally and making it about things completely irrelevant to the subject matter.

Thing is, if you’re going to argue by attacking people on a personal level; at least try to be better at it than you are at Roadhog, because that was pathetic. :man_cartwheeling:

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Post on your diamond account.

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I don’t play tracer or genji against brigitte but her one hit kill crap can kill tracer and genji so easily that it basically deleted them from the game.
Brigittes stun also goes through shields while mei’s can’t.
And yes it is the longest range boop in the game.
From what i remember you can boop someone that is around 20 metres away from you while with pharah it has an 8 metre radius.
While fortify and bubble do counter her abilities she can wait them out while holding shield and then go on. While mei can use cryofreeze to wait it out orisa and zarya would go back and mei would get destroyed as soon as she leaves it while brigitte can follow you.
Also when orisa uses fortify brigitte can still hit her to heal herself while doing damage.
Also its not that as heroes i get close to brigitte but she can get close to me. She can even flank get a kill and just walk away with shield and maybe even get pocketed for a bit.
Obviously this doesn’t happen in masters but i watched my cousin play (he is gold) he went to flank took out both supports with ease while being pocketed and no one could kill him.
If there is a hero that anyone with any skill level can play well by just remembering one combo then there is a problem.

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Nice dodge there, sonny, but nothing to refute me with?

No good arguments against mine? You just want to see if my SR-peen is bigger than yours? :slight_smile: Just “Post on your diamond account.”,

And then what? You’ll suddenly concede the point to me because I’m nudging at Master’s door? Unlikely. Just like your Mei-proposition, it doesn’t add anything to the conversation or make any sound arguments, and it’s completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Can’t take the heat, then don’t fuel the fire, son :wink:

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So you are straight up lying about playing in diamond, have no counter point when called out on it and you say I have nothing? What if I talk about how on my GM account I play Brigitte and destroy everything, would you have any argument to counter me with then? You don’t need to provide any proof where you play so I can do what I want to, making up stories and one upping your arguments the way you do mine.

See how pathetic you are? The moment I called you out on trying to educate a high master player I knew you were another hot balloon full of ego and no game.

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His point is valid, no matter what rank he’s on.

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Just like that time I called you out on that Zarya game, while you actually almost play no Zarya at all, well before you posted about playing Zarya in your “You know the meta is bad” post?

Riiiiiiiight :wink:

Again; If it doesn’t help/further the topic, I don’t see the need. You won’t just go “Oh, Geki, you were right all along because your SR is as high or higher than mine”, so why even bother with the notion at all?

You’re still dancing around the points I’ve made earlier and just moving on to your own like it’s nobody’s business. Just like back then, when another diamond player was agreeing with me (Tefatiki), when I do post on the diamond account or someone of your or higher SR replies, you’ll just ignore it or spew other nonsensical reasoning at it, berating their mains or something else, and abandon the thread/argument.

You’ve never won a single civilized debate on this forum and at this rate, that’s the way it’ll stay :wink:

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I’ll quote MagyTheMage, from the US forums to talk about her burst / dmg output compared to the dps heroes.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/brigette-does-more-damage-than-a-dps-more-healing-than-a-healer-and-is-tankier-than-a-tank/89651/1

I cant begin to explain how wrong this is, i am going to disprove this with numbers:

DAMAGE

Brigitte does 35 damage a swing in 6m range, that is almost the same damage as a quick melee with a little more range

That is equal to:

  • Two S76 bullets

  • 0.12-ish Seconds of fire from tracer (240 dps)

  • 1/4 of a pharah rocket (120 damage)

  • Half a mccree shot ( 70 dmg)

  • 4 pellets of reapers shotgun (7 damage)

  • 5 doomfist pellets (6 dmg)

  • One and a half genji shurikens (28 each)

  • 1/4 junk grenade (120)

  • two recon bastion shots

  • half a single storm arrow shot

  • 1/4 of a full charge widow bodyshot

  • Half a Mei icicle

  • Half a torbjorn lava cheeto

This is ignoring most of this heroes can HS, doubling their damage

(Not getting into tanks because i already proven what i wanted to say)

Damage (Damage per second)

Brigette: 56 dps
Tracer: 240 dps
Soldier 76: 171 DPS
Doomfist: 198 DPS (3 shots per second)
Genji: 84 DPS
Reaper: 280 DPS
Sombra: 160 DPS
Pharah: 132 dps (1.1 firerate)
Mccree: 140 DPS
Bastion: 160 dps ( recon)

Brust damage

Brigette can do a brust damage combo of 150-ish, by doing:

  • Shield Bash + Primary fire + Whipshot
    Other combos that do more than / same similar damage from other heroes are:

  • Helix + Primary fire(x3) = 150 dmg aprox

  • Primary fire(0.5 second of fire) + melee = 150 (Tracer)

  • Primary fire ( Pharah, 120 dmg)

  • Uppercut/slam + primary fire(x2) (or Rp alone)

  • Dash + Primary fire (Genji)

  • Mine + primary (Junk)

And i could go on and on

Notice how most heroes do similar Brust damage with half or no ability consumption what sowever?

CONCLUSION

Brigette, Is a hybrid hero, she doesnt beat
  • Dps in damage
  • Healers on healing
  • Tanks on tanking

BUT she does defeat:

  • Dps on healing/tanking
  • Tanks on Healing
  • Healers on tankiness/maybe dmg?

She is the sheer definition of a hybrid hero, Doesnt.beat the rest in their niche, But has all.niches to a lower degree

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I have 7 games as Zarya this season, won 6 of them. You can check masteroverwatch here for proof

ttps://masteroverwatch.com/profile/pc/global/Bustar-2828

Bro, you don’t even know what Mei is used for. It is not to destroy flankers, it is to trap heroes on select maps like Hanamaura and Gibraltar. You cant pick her and start owning flankers in diamond unless you are much higher than diamond yourself but you are simply gold who lies about his true rank.

You know nothing.

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A combo which straight up kills Tracer and leaves every body else severely weakened? Roadhog does only a bit more and he is a bruiser type of tank who excels at 1v1. The only other support who has this kind of burst is Zenyatta and you need to aim with him, you need to aim with most other examples too.

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Yes there is a section showing her Burst dmg, in my post and the other list of heroes that can also do the same. Read up.

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Of course, and the other heroes need aim. If so many combos destroyed Tracer don’t you think she’d be picked less than she is?

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That’s precisely the point why Tracer wasn’t countered hard enough until now.
Brig’s lower skill requirement, makes her more effective in the hands of most casuals.

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Yea but once again you are looking at it from a very narrow perspective. Yes, she counters tracer but what about all the other characters she stuns and comboes?

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Well it comes down to the ello your talking about… At the higher tiers people have good aim, and can use all the other heroes mentioned in the “Burst Damage” section to do the same amounts of dmg. At the lower tiers people can execute the given said combos with lesser skills, but as they start climbing up they’ll start getting countered hard.

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Fixed your post :slight_smile:

Now unless you have something to say that doesn’t involve the word “bro” like it’s meant to sound like you’re some sort of alpha douche or that bases a notion purely on the merit of the person making it, you can safely assume that you’ve been served thoroughly.

No amount of 1v1’s against one another, no dramatic revealing of my highest account’s SR and no amount of rhetoric from either side will ever truly matter, because despite all your propositions, you will never concede your point and as such will never be taken seriously :man_shrugging:

I’ve even given you the benefit of the doubt before when you started making a bit of sense, goes to show how stuck you are in a mindset that doesn’t allow a single bit of wriggle room that just because you cannot defeat a Gitte on Roadhog.

I may occassionally play in Diamond, but even in Gold Roadhogs can counter Gitte’s. Pfff, I’ve seen high diamond Gitte’s with plenty of playtime on them get eaten by mid-gold Roadhogs in QP when both teams were tryharding :laughing:

But yeah, good talk, again… we’ve derailed/hijacked this entire topic again, gg!

Soooo back to the topic subject matter:

I was disagreeing with Micraft on the Mei/Gitte comparisons and they made a point. While it’s purely opinion- and situational based at this point, all I have to add that is that Pharah’s boop is unlimited range, because it’s a projectile.

If a Gitte gets to flank ya, well, you know, there’s 5 others on your team, don’t think one of them could’ve called that? Brig has zero mobility so she basically has to walk everywhere; in most of the games where I see her trying to flank it gets called out pretty early on due to her having to take all the walking routes.

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So when I proved you wrong about the Zarya thing you decided to ignore it like you do when I present something you cant disprove. Typical. You are once again spewing things from your fantasy world where you are supposedly a better player than me and understand the game better even though you are an objectively worse one trick and you cant even move past low gold by playing such an easy char.

Its pretty crazy people like you actually exist. I must have really hurt your ego by mentioning your rank for you to go all out lunatic mode like this. But cheers, it was fun!

To what, Tracer? The character who is the best DPS in GM or at least was before Hanzo rework?

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Bustar, also take a read at these stats showing the dmg output of “average” players taking accuracy into the picture.
Again quoting MagyTheMage on the US Forums.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/brigette-does-more-damage-than-a-dps-more-healing-than-a-healer-and-is-tankier-than-a-tank/89651/1

DAMAGE FACTORING IN ACCURACY

Now, lets apply some context to the situation shall we?

and im going to do a few damage comparisions factoring in player skill

The average tracer has 35% weapon accuracy,

240 ----- 100%
84 ------ 35%

Thats 84 DPS, still higher than brigittes, Now lets factor in Critical accuracy, This beeing 7.5%

84 ---- 100%
6.3 ---- 7.5%

and since their criticals, we are multiplying our result by two since their damage is twice as strong

84 + 6.3(x2) = 96.6 Is our average tracer DPS in her intended range!

Briggitte deals arround 56 damage per second
While tracer deals 96.6 factoring both accuracy and

The average soldier 76, also has 35% accuracy!

Soldier 76 has a whooping 171 DPS without factoring it his helix rockets!

171 ---- 100%
59.85 —35%

Now crit accuracy is 6.1%

giving us a total of 59.85 in normal damage and 3.60(x2) of crits!
for a total of 67,05 damage!

lets see another example:

The average mccree has 44% weapon accuracy,

140 ----- 100%
61.6 ---- 44%

thats 61.6 DPS!
now lets factor in crit accuracy, This beeing 9.1% (The highest we found yet!)

for a total of: 5.60(x2)

our DPS total would be! 72,8 damage per second!

Still higher than brigs 56!
we could also factor in weapon falloff, but We have no way of calculating at what range does the average player fight in!

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You know, its weird looking at all these numbers when you admitted she has an extremely easy to execute combo which deals 150 damage. Doomfist’s damage is low too, the average one, doesn’t mean he is not good at killing things.