🐮 Fake friendliness > Toxic environment

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I find it’s nothing to do with being a ‘snowflake’ (poor term btw), it’s just a bit rude.
'gg’ing a stomp game as the winner is just impolite. Sure, say it in /team/group, but in the main channel, nope.

If it’s a close game, and say you hold with a meter to go, sure the winners would have a good standing for a ‘gg’, it was close, but they held.

Or if the loosing side say it, well I feel they’ve actually had a ‘good game’ (remember that what it stands for), they ‘gg’ away til your hearts content with them.

What’s the age old saying, “f you’ve nothing nice to say, say nothing at all”.

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Oh - I detect old school knowledge.

However… I am almost sure that the overwhelming majority of this Community does not know about the difference between gg coming from the winner or from the loser and/or frankly doesnt give a shi*.

Trying to teach old school gamer sportsmanship to these people is like throwing diamonds to pigs (not saying that there ARENT people out there who value these things)

The number of times some rather “unexperienced players” (who just won a match via stomp because of smurfs or extremely poor performance of the other team) called GG is frustrating to say the least.

The meaning of GG has over the past year degraded to nothingness used in almost every game for the worst of performances.

Forcing players of a shooter with a strong competitive touch to be nice to each other under threat of penalty naturaly creates a ridiculously fake positivity which is now incentived by Endorsements. Whip and sugar bread.

Still - I do believe that the Endorsement System is a first step towards bringing out the Good in SOME people with which you can then team up to have a great time.

You want to remove the chat feature of a game because its community cannot refrain from insulting itself due to insecurity and anger issues?

Priceless.

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If you’re winning a game, saying “gg” first is only a problem if the other team is still trying, thinking they have a chance. Interestingly, a lot of people on both sides are misjudging this, as I’ve had gg’s tossed at me while we’re clearly winning a fight to flip the point, and said it myself at an idle team waiting for the clock to run out just to see a guy charging in again and the whole thing dragging out for 20 seconds more…

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There was one episode in Black Mirror series. With city-wided social network and “Likes”. The more Likes you had the more you was respected and more things will be accessable for you. There was also the opposite thing about Likes. People there turned into a hypocrites-they did everything to earn Likes, was fake-nicely and fake-friendly, even from people they hate. And they bullied people that has low raiting of Likes.

I’m afraid there can be the same thing with our community. What if most OW players will be the same hypocrites instead of toxic @$$holes? Worst of all-this endorsement system even works to me. I was friendly before, typed into general chat in the server “gl hf”, complimented teammates and opponents (I guess you just have to belive me, heh) for being good and if they are bad I said they are bad and need to learn and practice more. And chose Soldier 76 as my main and Lucio too to be useful to my team. But when I saw that endorsement system I wanted to be friendly and rallied even more. And I hate myself for this.

I guess God Kaplan fights the immortal enemy-Human Nature itself. And Endorses is nice way to do it, but I don’t want it to turn into cr@p. What do you think?

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I think so. It’s the same case with me. Since the system was live, everyone was hoarding the support heroes and keep on healing and helping others, and I think they’re doing this for endorsements only. When I saw the scene, I just chose Tracer, as I normally do- I’m a Tracer main FYI. And I’m getting instantly healed by Moira, Revived my Mercy, shielded by Briggete and so on. We had like 4 supports that match. I knew they were doing it for endorsements, but I endorsed them anyway. Yes, this endorsement system might turn the community into Black Mirror society, as you said, but I think Blizzard is doing the right thing with this.

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Totally agree. Ironic. Game is calling Overwatch and Kaplan Overwatching us :smiley:

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I believe that it says more about the player than the system itself if the player suddenly forces themselves to be kind and cooperative just to get a green thumb at the end of the match. I’m loving these changes, I love how many more people are trying to be less toxic, use voice chat, and support each other. It’s a great step in the right direction <3

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Since the endorsement system got live, I had only good experiences during the game.

Well, I got accused once or twice for “milking endorsements” because I say “gl hf” at the beginning of a match. (As a side-note, I’ve been doing that for ages)

True, I’ve noticed that people start to be artificially kind but it resulted in better teamwork and a better gameplay experience. Even though that kindness is artificial, it’s kindness nonetheless.

For a person who already stays positive the whole time (I hardly get salty), I completely support that feature.

(I personally don’t care about my endorsement. I stay positive in a cheesy way just like before)

:dragon:

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Why would people accuse you for “milking endorsements” when they’re getting XP for doing it?

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I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, I just don’t want a society of hypocrites

Funny thing-the same was with Competitive system. When I tried I got the Bronze raiting. You know, OW players belive Bronze people are not people at all, they’re untermensch and doesn’t deserve to exist. My bf Shining belived even back there Comp is just occasion to play as meant to be ( 2-2-2, teamwork, etc.) and greatly overrated. Back then I began depressed and salty because of Bronze raiting. And Shining slowly began to hate me. That made me think-what if he is right? And lately i saw the the above-mentioned episode of Black Mirror. I felt myself so shamed I wanted to kms (not literally, thank Mother Earth). So I forgot about comp and started to learn more and play more non-casual games to git gud. And Shining began to respect me again <3

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Why’d you feel ashamed cuz you’re a bronze player? Like really, why? Everybody starts off as a bronze player, and there’s nothing to be ashamed of.

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You can reply coment, bro

I was afraid of being bullied. It’s a personal problem, bad public opinion about me was disturbing me, but I slowly fix that, and there is a progress. I have problems with arrogance and anger too, but I try to fix them too and it seems I have a progress too. My arrogance, however is not obvious, I’m not saying like “you are sheet and I am awesome” or something like that, but if you even read that topic you can tell from other side I am a little self-important

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If someone is nice for the sole purpose of getting an endorsement for being friendly, they’re still being nice. And I honestly don’t care how they behave outside of the game.

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not disagreeing with you, and free xp is free xp, but for perspective you’re gonna need to play at least 134 games, endorsing 3 people each time, to get one loot box out of it.

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Your truth, pal. This can be hypocricy or honesty, but as long as it works, and community gets cleaner, everything is fine

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remember what the feature is:

Those who consistently maintain a high endorsement level will receive periodic rewards, while those who display negative behavior or accrue suspensions will lose their endorsements.

The fact that you’ll be rewarded for “being kind” causes players to be nice in an artificial way. This leads to skepticism and players sometimes or even rarily who are nice get judged for “milking endorsements”.

However, in my case, it leads me to be accused of wanting endorsements, even though I generally am a kind person.

(unless we’re friends, then i can be a prick by making you crazy with discussions :laughing:)

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Silly me, haven’t been in OW for a while and didn’t even read the description :smiley:
Btw can you add me? You seem like a nice guy and I do love dragons much, I was even dragon geek once

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Maybe :smile:
Though the profiles are currently private so I can’t find your battletag for now.

Also, the reason for my name wasn’t because I like those snoks with wings but rather because my friends cursed me with that nickname :sweat_smile:

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I guess it is better having disrespectful childish players faking their “good manners” Even though it was mystery heroes, told this person for saying GG before the losing team is not nice and his response “i do not care” and yes this is a really mild case but you get the deal.

Overwatch and the internet will still be a place of disrespectful trash but hey atleast they are faking their “being nice” attitude so atleast we got that.

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Come to think of it, it sounds somewhat like a life advice.
“Always be polite and kind, even if it’s your poopy boss or your mom”

Jokes aside, while fake good manners could be criticized as a method of a good gameplay environment, the results speak for themselves.

Fake kindness is still kindness and makes the game more enjoyable.