There is no spin. You are just factually wrong, and clearly don’t know what you are talking about. It shows.
Tragic, yes. Deranking by sabotaging for others is tragic and pathetic. So yes.
No there is no spin, you are right. You were just toxic and used peer pressure to bully a player into snapping. Then reported him for it. Nothing spun there.
As I said, move on. Stick to the post. If you want to discuss it, message me.
‐-----‐---------------
He will get actioned eventually, so I’m not that bothered by it. He was funny, and only harming himself. I checked my profile, first player I’ve seen actively doing that in solo que in about 650 matches. So its not that big of a deal
I am right. There is no spin, and I was not toxic or used peer pressure. I simply criticized him, which is not doing any of the things you are claiming me to do. It’s all on him for not being able to handle simple criticism. Nothing toxic or bad about it at all, but it’s very clear that you don’t understand what it means.
Not only himself, his entire team.
Yeah you just criticised him, unsolicited. And then the rest of you team piled in on him. That is toxic.
Imagine doing that IRL then getting upset when the guy punches you in the face.
Anyway, Mr toxic bully. I’ve said multiple times move on. Stop derailing posts. This is why you type so much, you can’t just drop it and move on.
Nah, it was placements. He didn’t effect anyone in the team. We were all having a good chuckle at what he was doing. No harm, no foul.
Because criticism isn’t exclusively something you ask for. It’s something you get. If you think otherwise, then you have no clue what you are talking about.
No we didn’t. We all just simply reported him for using bad language. We didn’t gang up on him at all. That’s the consequence of him choosing to speak in a derogatory way. Simple as.
Fighting words with violence is not a good solution, so yeah, that would be quite upsetting. Violence is unneccessary. Being civil is the way.
The reason I’m not dropping it is because you are incorrect. And I’m not going to stand down when you use insults like calling me toxic, when I’m not at all. I’m just pointing out that you are very wrong in your assessment.
We’ve moved on. You were toxic and bullied someone. Ganging up to report someone because you’ve harassed them and they reacted is just gross behaviour.
Again. we’ve moved on. Stick to the post. If you want to spin tales of woe about how you believe you were right find me outside the forum, I am no longer interested in reading about it here. This isn’t the place, and you have derailed a thread (something that you got very annoyed when you thought someone did it to you).
Moving on when you think you were correct, sure. I wasn’t toxic, and I didn’t bully anyone. You don’t know what this means, apparently.
harassed, lmao. You are just showing everyone that you have no clue what these words mean. You should pick up a dictionary.
It was related to the topic, and I simply answered your comments. You derailed it perfectly fine by yourself. If you think you are correct with your comments when you have clearly shown that you don’t know what words mean, then that’s on you. Not on me.
Harassed
- subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation
Toxic
- Bad Attitude and Behavior in an online gaming context
Yeah, pretty sure some random player showing a poor attitude and criticising someone, completely unsolicited is intimidating. Especially when the rest of the team gangs up on them.
Toxic and bullying. You obviously have your actions justified in your head. That is for you to deal with, or not. Don’t really care. Just stating the facts.
Now move on.
And I was never aggressive, nor did I intimidate anyone. It was just criticism.
And me commenting on a player’s mistakes, is not toxic. It’s criticism.
So if what you are saying is true, that means you are saying:
- Criticism = Toxic harassment
Which is factually wrong. No matter how you see it.
You are implying that I’m intimidating someone, meaning I make them feel scared or frightened. Criticism is not scary at all. So no, I’m not intimidating them. The team didn’t gang up on them either. No idea why you would think so. They simply reported him for bad language, as this is not necessary, and only serves to sour the mood for everyone. You are accusing me of doing something I never did.
Not toxic and bullying. You are not even stating facts. You are MAKING your own story about what happened, even though I’ve told you exactly what happened. You are pulling something out of nothing, and you are simpy incorrect, and not stating any facts whatsoever.
If you admit to being wrong, then I will. But I’m not going to lay down and accept your insults towards me, and proclaiming I’m a toxic bully, when I’ve not bullied anyone, and not been toxic in the slightest.
Criticism is just that, criticism. It’s not synonymous with toxicity or bullying. And it most certainly isn’t something you need a permission to give. If you think it is, then you don’t know what the word means. Plain and simple.
Given the guys reaction… I suggest he felt intimidated.
Everyone is different and reacts differently to things.
You were toxic and bullied someone into reacting, then reported them for reacting. Those are the facts.
Now move on.
You are basing this on your own narrative, not what actually happened. He didn’t feel intimidated. Unless you think of me giving him well-meaning criticism in a calm and collected way, hurting his ego and pride from thinking he is the best player ever(when he clearly isn’t), is scary for him. If he can’t handle criticism, then that just means he is immature. Your suggestion that he feels intimidated is not accurate. He just responded to criticism in a toxic way, and that’s why he got reported. If he would behave in a civil, mature way, he wouldn’t get reported. That simple.
What makes you think he was scared? I simply pointed out a mistake. It’s not like I was threatening him or anything. I was very calm and respectful to him, and just pointed out a mistake he made. Just because he thinks this could be annoying, doesn’t justify him revolting in an uncivilized, immature way. You weren’t even there, so why you think I would be initimidating is just something you believe, in order to fit your narrative.
I wasn’t. So those are not the facts.
Like I said, you insult me by claiming I’m toxic and a bully, so I’ll move on when you admit you are wrong, or apologize for your insults.
No. I am basing it purely on what you said.
You criticised a player, unsolicited (you’ve admitted this toxic behaviour (although you have claimed it isn’t toxic because you have rationalised your behaviour in your head, fine). You team mates then joined forces and pilled in on it. As per your claim. The victim then (while feeling intimidated and annoyed) lashed out.
“He just responded to criticism in a toxic way, and that’s why he got reported. If he would behave in a civil, mature way, he wouldn’t get reported. That simple.”
Why should someone be civil to a ring leader and his gang throwing, probably false, claims at him…
You are your chums then reported him as a group.
So this one player gets 5 reports because 1 toxic player couldn’t just keep it to himself. And decided to behave like some sort of overlord just because in his head he thinks he is helping people.
You are toxic. and you bullied this player. And if that insults you, shame. Maybe review how you behave in game.
Get on with some games and enjoy your day. Be nice to people.
Oh yeah, someone purposely throwing and making you lose sure is funny.
Did you want the game. He was hilarious.
(It was a placement game for all 12 people, nothing was on the line).
You are breaking up what I’m saying into smaller pieces that can be twisted to fit your narrative. That way, you can make almost anything seem like it is how oyu say it, instead of taking everything into context. Which you should be doing. Context matters.
Yes, because criticism isn’t something you need a permission to give. You just give it. If they give you permission to do so, it simply shows they want you to criticize them on a more critical basis, because they desire to learn more, and don’t feel that their pride or ego should get in the way of getting better.
I played solo… I don’t have any form of affiliation with my teammates at all. They all simply saw reason aswell, and thought this dude’s behavior was poor. It’s not like I told them to report this dude. I just did, and they proclaimed they did aswell. There was no instigation on my part to make 5 randoms I’ve never met before, pile upon one dude to ruin his day. He simply couldn’t handle criticism, and decided that the best course of action in his mind, was to resort to bad language and behavior.
It’s not something I’ve rationalized in my head, I’m literally telling you I criticized him. What I’m telling you I’m doing, is literally the definition of criticism. You define it as bullying and being toxic, however. Which I’m simply pointing out is WRONG. Because it IS wrong. That’s a fact. You can find the definition if you don’t believe me.
Overlord, lmao. You keep grasping for straws to justify your misconception of words all you like. I wasn’t toxic. It’s that simple. You don’t know what toxic means, which is painfully obvious based on how you define it.
I behave respectfully, and sportsmanship-like. Criticism isn’t a bad thing. It’s a tool to help people get better. Nothing toxic about that at all. Cursing at people for suggesting things that would improve the odds of winning a game however, is.
I am already playing, and enjoying my day. I’m also pretty nice to people, so no problem whatsoever.
Placement games are not irrelevant. They help determine whether you get placed higher or lower than you were previous season. So they definitely matter aswell. If they didn’t, there would be no point in having them at all.
Sorry Agonath, we moved on.
Context is everything I agree. So, given that it is all I had to go on. I took what you said word for word at face value.
Criticism isn’t an inherently bad thing. You are partially right. But if you are playing a game and then some one just random tells you something you did wasn’t up to the standard they wanted… That is just flaming.
Anyways, in your head you think you are doing a good job. You’ve never been able to prove this. You flamed and harassed a player into a reaction with the rational you were trying to help them… Proving my point, your “criticism” probably isn’t have the desired affect you want for the greater good.
That is the last I am saying on it, the facts speak for themselves.
You can have the last word if you want. But all you will do is repeat your same lines “criticism isn’t bad” “trying to make people better” and so on.
We all want everyone to be better (as you know, me being a better player is my main objective), but there are ways to do it. Telling someone they are bad, or did something badly when they haven’t asked for your advice is not one of them.
You didn’t. You keep finding words that don’t fit in anywhere at all to what I’ve actually said. like me intimidating him, which I didn’t. Or that I’m throwing “probably false, claims at him…”, as you said. These are all things you’ve extrapolated out of thin air, in order to fit your narrative. I’ve said the whole time that I am being very respectful and calm. Why you suddenly think I’m some sort of ringleader trying to pile onto one player in order to ruin his day, is the complete opposite of taking my words at face value. I hope you can understand that. But it doesn’t seem like you do…
It’s really not flaming at all. If I made a mistake, I wouldn’t mind anyone pointing it out in a civilized manner. If they were to do so in a derogatory way however, like calling me a ret*** for making the mistake, then that would be a bad thing. Which is also why I don’t use such words when I criticize. I’m simply staying factual, and suggesting possible solutions to improve the situation. In other words, not flaming at all. Flaming involves hurling insults, which I don’t do.
It’s proven by action. Should I document and make videos in order for you to get a clearer picture that criticism can be a good thing for team morale? It should be fairly obvious. In any case, what would be the point? I can see the benefits of this for the team as a whole, so where is the doubt coming from on your end? It’s really that hard for you to believe that criticism can help make the team function better in a positive way? if so, why? What’s hard for you to understand about this? It makes perfect sense.
Again, completely wrong definition of the words flaming and harassment. You are not using the words in a correct way. I never harassed or flamed anyone. That would be counterproductive. All I did was point out a mistake, and this is not flaming or harassment. If you believe it is, then you don’t understand what the words mean.
Proving your point? there is no proof in this, and you even use words like “probably”, which means you don’t understand what I’m saying in the slightest. Probably doesn’t equal “proof”. And I’ve already told you that it has a positive effect most of the time when I do so. Those people reacting immaturely is fairly rare for me, as I’m being very respectful and suggestive in my way to address the mistakes that were made. Why you believe anything else is beyond me, and it most certainly isn’t taking my words at face value, like you claim.
You aren’t using facts. You weren’t even there. You are basing this on a belief that suits your narrative of me being something completely different than what I am.
I don’t need the last word, but I’m not going to let you insult me, and then simply lay down and take it. You are wrong, and that’s the fact. It’s obvious for all to see based on how you define things, and how you disassemble sentences to fit your narrative by taking my comments out of context, and not understanding what I’m saying.
This is correct, and it’s good that your goal is to get better. But saying that criticism is not a way you want to get better, is really not your choice. I have freedom of speech, and I will criticize in a constructive, respectful and calm way, whether people ask for it or not. And there is nothing bad about that at all. If I was berating people for their mistakes, I would agree with you. But I don’t berate them. Which is why I’m not toxic, harassing or flaming in the slightest. That’s simply not what those words entail.
Because it’s not something that is exclusively done by asking for it. I’m simply telling them. If they want to disregard my advice or criticism, they are perfectly good to do so. But saying I should keep quiet instead, is not the way to go. Some people will listen, others wont. And that’s just fine. IF he was of the type that was willing to listen, then all is good and well. If he hates getting criticized, then he can just ignore what I’m saying, and be mad at ame all he wants. But if he lashes out with insults, then ofcourse I am going to report him. If he curses me with every bad word under the sun, in the privacy of his own home, where nobody can see or hear this, then no problem. He can do so if he wants. I’ve got no problem with that.
“Telling them”
That one phrase says more than all of that.
And that kind of attitude is the problem.
/Thread.
Don’t be disingenuous. It naturally said in a way synonymous with “informing them”. But I’m not surprised if your low understanding of definitions and whatnot would interpret it more like: “commanding them”. Which it obviously didn’t mean, if you could read context.