Toxic community + automatic ban system = ?

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in late 80s I remember a guy punching an arcade machine and profanity was totally natural.
I guess It goes back since the first coin machine :grin:

like 2 or 3 weeks into the game and just before the endo votes went live I pulled 13 or 14k damage as junkrat, naturally I thought “this is my first EPIC moment, 5 votes YEAH”, I had not seen such a high number from other players it was natural to expect 5 votes.

Mercy with a pitiful 6k healing got 5 votes, I got zero.
this pretty much sums up the judgement of our peers.- :joy:
I was an advocate of direct democracy (pirate movement etc), but overwatch has made me rethink things, like seriously and while knowing half of these people may not even being able to vote

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But you agree to it when you registed for the site and when you both the game.[/quote]

TOS and pretty much any “disclaimer” ain’t legally binding in the EU (don’t know whats the deal in the US) they don’t stand up in court
software licenses and blizzard’s VAGUE AS FAK terms of use are two different things

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But if you agree to something and then you don’t follow it true till the end you can’t really complain about your account’s state or punishment.
I had some on my accounts bann’d and only one of them made me tilt but i was still low kay to blame. One of my mains got banned for a month for saying to a mercy main “to bad get gut” in the forums non the less not in game you can see i didn’t use any offensive language but that was still toxic of me to say.

You can always take things to cort but good luck a overwatch account is cheaper than a lawyer.

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no dude, it’s much simpler
party A pays for a service - party B provides the service
party B doesn’t want to provide full service to party A because there’s some unexplained sensitivity on subject X? no problemo, R E F U N D
this is what every business does when they want a client to GTFO, first they refund, then they “ban”

in the EU you can’t just take the money out of people and then refuse access to the service
it only costs 150 euros for the court expenses in my country and I know at least 3 lawyers (through the yaaaaar movement who advertise they’ll represent injustice for free)
I guess if you live in Sweden or Germany, you’ll find more pro-bono lawyers
personally I wouldn’t take things to court, but I’m just saying, it’s not that expensive…I mean you can even crowdsource it :joy:

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You can always do a viral video and blizzard will bend to it to keep its bublic face but that takes people to agree with your case, but still refound is not a thing when you both something and used it on top of this yet again we see someone who didn’t read everything he agree’s to.
Refounds can only happen if the product isn’t working or is working in a non intended way. You can speculate on this all you want but it’s just speculations in the end of the day and the game is working as intented.

I like that people have the power to punish what they don’t like but i will say that i think they need to take some of that power away but not to much of it.
And the new endorse system is protecting people from bann’s since you need to drop all the way down to level 0 for your account to have a chance to be puniished in the 1st place. And seen how easy it is to farm with i got my main account to level 6 and my 2n one is on 5 all the rest of my account i dont even play with have level 2-3 endorse making them unbannable if i wanted to lash out in game a little or break some rules.

At the moment its really hard to get banned in overwatch unless you do nothing productiv for your teams at all since it only takes to pick mercy to get 5 endorsements every game. In general if you play one game as tank and one game as healer you can trow a full game with hammer torb in comp and you will be safe from banns. At the moment you need to be hella toxic to have a chance for a bann and you need to be toxic in every game you are in, so i can’t show any sympathy.

Toxicity is the main problem of this game or any comp games, then its cheaters and bug abusers and then its balancing heroes and making new content.

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I don’t speculate I have talked with a lawyer about this (I have talked with lawyers about many things, just in case), the exact English legal term does not come to mind right now, it starts with pre-something, google translates it as “fait accompli” from my native language

Dude, if I pay for a gym membership and then I make some anti semitic comments, they can’t ban me from the gym without a refund
they can sue me, since it’s pretty much a global eu law, but they can’t just take my money, we agreed on a gym service not on what words come out of my mouth

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Unless you take any actions its speculateion and your lawyer is speculateing as well lol. Since this game has flex rules that will chance whenever then wan’t them to.

Like i said you can go to cort whenever you want and its your right as a citizen.

If you make anti semitic comment’s in real life the other adresant can for real sue you and win his case… This is a game rated for 12 year olds so why must you show anti semitism, racism or any other form of discrimination in it ? On top of everything els you are doing this to minor’s (under age) players something that can lead to jail time or mental harasment cases in real life. Just so you know if you go to the US forms and you use “GT*O” you will get punished in the forums and in game since its in the code of conduct that you agree and accepted since you are using a way/symbols to mention a word thats not allowed or is filte’d.

But you do agree on what you say in game.
At the end ill pass some things that you agree to.
“if you’re unsure if your actions violate this code of conduct, reconsider them. We reserve the right to restrict offending accounts as much as necessary to keep Blizzard games a fun experience for all players.”

“Hate speech and discriminatory language is inappropriate, as is any obscene or disruptive language. Threatening or harassing another player is always unacceptable, regardless of language used. Violating any of these expectations will result in account restrictions. More serious and repeated violations will result in greater restrictions.”

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oh boi, you made me look it up
do you know what a precedent is? that’s the opposite of speculation.

y o u c a n n o t t a k e m o n e y f r o m p e o p l e a n d t h e n d e n y s e r v i c e b a s e d o n s o m e v a g u e “rules” t h a t n o b o d y r e a d s
t h a t s t h e d e f i n i t i o n o f s c a m

a mumbo jumbo link on the bottom of the page does not apply in eu court, only software licenses apply! aka “intellectual property”, the judge couldn’t give 3 flying f’s about each webmaster’s/corp “tos”, **there are actual trade/civil laws in place that overrule pretty much anything the corporate lawyer can think off **, tos isn’t a legal binding document, how hard is to understand this?
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what did i just said, one comment ago? yes they can sue if u can make antisemetic comments but they can’t take your money

wow you are really cheap dude…like a C rated movie, you edited your comment 4 times, and then you had to involve the “minors” like if that guy making a comment about the jews affects in any way the “minors”

you know that scene when there’s shattered buildings, fire, and that doll half burned on the ground
wow, i’ll give you an Oscar!!!

ok I cannot continue with you, im out

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Who are you fighting with im not stoping you to go to cort with this…

your not paying for a timly service your buying a game that you can play when ever and as long as you want.

So you agree to it ??? Why not decline and not buy and play this game ?

You are showing minors that its Ok you act this way and further more decensoring and corrupting their view on life since at that age they are easily impressionable you might think that this is weak but fact’s show that’s its true.

Overwatch works as a cort in a way when the poeple who reprot someone are the courts jury and the guy getting reported is the one who gets judged by blizzards.

At this point im not really sure what you want tbh, you want everyone to stop playing the game so that everyone can take its time to be toxic in the game chat ?
And its funny touth you say you know a lawyer i’m the one who has a magistar in laws. And i can easlie say that your are just memeing left and right at this point and approaching thinks in a philosophical manner more so than making a real case out of things.

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I unsubscribed from this thread but I still got the notification
since you dedicated so much time i feel obligated to tell you that I’m not gonna read the rest (as if your first line made it better)

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Your free to do what you want.
Just know if it was so easy to sue everyone will be doing it at this point and making a proffit out of it.

Ill just add your logic here.
You want blizzard to refound your money when they bann you…So you can buy a new account and get a new identaty and continue to be toxic… that bann will really matter then… Just lol. On top of not knowing a single law about the internet or the things that you agree to…

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Oh you and me both bud! I’m never going near comp again after being told to die, that I’m a moron and so on because I picked Symm. I wasn’t even playing badly, but yet because of the character I’ve chosen I’m the scourge of Overwatch, not the one screaming insults at me.

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They They should not moderate at all or only in extreme cases like if you reported by 50 people per week. I told some ruskis to go back too play on their own servers in Asia not in Europe where we don’t understand their cyrillic gibberish, next day I see your account is muted for 6 days. F* great to play like this that you can’t even tell your teammates what to do. Instead of spending time and money on stupid mods they should spend that on improving the game. If you don’t like someone ingame just /ignore or leave.

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False/vindictive reporting seems to be much much worse on PC compared to Console

the master race :roll_eyes:

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next time pick genji/tracer/spamzo/widow, ou will be a hero.

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You have no clue, i even have it on video if you don’t believe me, i’m thinking about buying an alt account so i can play without fearing of getting banned for playing good

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Love playing torb, made a torb only account hit diamond 3118. Got banned for gameplay sabotage, Never threw, grifed anybody or used a mic but listened to voice cons every game,

Tried to seek gm help and they said matter is closed, genuinely upset me as I was so very careful to not upset anyone on purpose as I know so many dislike torb sadly.

Listened to calls , etc etc. sometimes people would report before the game even began / before we left spawn etc.

Really felt bad… I got banned for playing my fav hero and trying (60% win rate)
No way to speak to a human CS representative etc to ask for a fair (unautomated) assessment.

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There is no automatic ban system lol. Where the f did you read that? :smiley:
Blizzard is no kindergarten they will check if the ban is justified or not. Go troll where else man.

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Get banned for “destructive behavior” about 5 times or so, trying my best to win. Just because I play hero that I like to play. I used to play different competitive games, but OW is the first game where I get banned for my tastes in characters, lol. Maybe it’s a way to Blizz sell more accounts.

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It was an idea of this toxic community.

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Feels bad that you got banned, personally if im going to only play widowmaker i’ll get a team. I don’t know what made your teammates report you but it’s something to think about.

Try to appeal it, you have an insane level so i think its fair that they take a 2n look at your case unless you’re just flat out toxic to your teams.

Personally with that level and your SR i might think that you are throwing games to lower your SR since for me it doesn’t make sense to be this low.