Social contract includes basic human decency. Towards everyone that you interact with.
If you lose, take it as good practice. There’s always some way to improve in this game.
If you’re really angry about being stomped, just graciously leave without a word. There’s no need to pretend, but there’s also no need to spread the bad vibes.
Have a snack and a deep breath after a game like that before coming back.
You’ll make the experience a tiny fraction better for yourself.
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well that’s a subject all on it’s own, what is cheating, what’s not cheating.
some frustrations is brought upon the difference of opinion what’s expected and not expected out of people in the game.
the social contract is flimsy on that and i think there needs to be clearer examples of what is and isn’t expected.
for me i expect very little and that’s the only way i can remain relatively calm when things i don’t agree with happen.
for example i’m not guaranteed a support will heal me when i play tank, i’m not guaranteed the game will be even, i’m not guaranteed to have nice teammates, i’m not guaranteed teammates that will even try to utilize teamwork, i’m not guaranteed there won’t be smurfs in the game, and i have to be fine with that because that’s what i’m signing up for when things aren’t clear.
yeah but it’s when the social contract is breached not by you but by others where it usually crumbles and you think “why should i be decent to people who aren’t decent to me” and it just progress from there.
it’s something that happens frequently, but as a “good player” i think it’s good if you try to not crack to that because it would serve as a guiding beacon to others who have cracked or about to crack.
If someone’s a genuine ass to me in game, i will report them. If someone’s an ass to anyone in game (name calling, you suck, should uninstall etc.) I will see if it’s reportable and do so if i can. I stand up to people who start saying such rot to others who don’t deserve it.
And definitely when slurs of any kind enter the conversation.
As you said earlier “Sure, get mad”.
But we can both agree with saying that noone should take it out on their team.
If someone’s actively sabotaging gameplay (Sitting in spawn and doing next to nothing) then repprting is something to do.
I know it’s a really old way to reply to the “if they’re not nice to me, why should i?” But don’t sink to their level. Don’t become the monkey that others don’t want to play with.
It’s so much nicer to not spread the anger. I like leaving games with a thankyou to someone. Be it an enemy who decided to take pity on me and not stagger me in the backline. Maybe exchange a hello and an emote before they punch my last 10 hp away. A tank or a dps who takes an effort to keep me safe from flankers or a healer who helps me out.
When they reply to you with a smiley face in the chat, you know you’ve made their day better. And if you meet again in the game, you’ve made a friend.
Even if you just leave the game without pouring your anger onto anyone, even that can make someone’s day better.
I’m aware that i’m an outlier, but just saying nothing at all can be all the politeness you need.
yes, silence can be gold at times, but sometimes silence is just as bad as just watching people being bad to others from the sidelines and in a way condoning it.
now it doesn’t happen all of the time but i think there needs to be like a better way to handle those breaches and that needs to be agreed upon by all parties involved because i think a concerted effort is more effective than just letting things be as is since as is, isn’t working.
I agree 100%
But that’s something that will need to be started on blizzard’s side. For rules that no one in the playerbase can argue with.
i don’t know, i think blizzard seems open to suggestions at the very least to dealing with problematic things in their games, they’ve taken quite many sometimes outlandish stabs at fixing it but forgetting the most powerful one, the community itself and how to get the entire community to gather around a consensus on how we should address it and everyone ending up on the same page about it.
Not really a long subject tbf…
“Actions taken to gain an unfair advantage”.
Pretty black and white
Might have been a few words in my reply i could have chosen better. The wall of text will be here later, or not…
it’s not a small spectrum, what is considered an unfair advantage?
the peripherals? the characters in game? the weapons? third party software?
i mean it’s pretty common place to use add-ons in wow, how is that not to gain an unfair advantage?
looking things up online? using guides? frame data?
all the things the game doesn’t serve you up front that you could acquire on your own is a way to gain an advantage over others which could be seen as cheating.
and even then you have things that wasn’t intended but is abused by players to gain an unfair advantage like smurfing.
like it’s a whole topic and we can go down one by one if you want and argue for and against each point and we can agree and disagree on a wide variety of them.
so it’s not exactly black and white if there’s a lot we can agree and disagree on and that being extremely subjective from person to person.well everyone has their opinions, but there should be a common general consensus that most people should be able to agree on and should act on and have a given statement from the creators of the game themselves take a major stance with that majority in enforcing that and encouraging that.
but so far they have only facilitated actions without giving good examples of what they deem as appropriate or inappropriate responses, with their example more people might be more emboldened to take a stance for the better.
sorry bout the wall o’ text
well everyone has their opinions, but there should be a common general consensus that most people should be able to agree on and should act on and have a given statement from the creators of the game themselves take a major stance with that majority in enforcing that and encouraging that.
but so far they have only facilitated actions without giving good examples of what they deem as appropriate or inappropriate responses, with their example more people might be more emboldened to take a stance for the better.
At least everyone could(and should) agree that name calling is bad behaviour, but there are levels to that too.
Slurs are obviously terrible, but calling someone an animal? Like monkey? That is more subjective to a person.
But definitely examples are needed so everyone has an easier time to moderate their own behaviour. Maybe overwatch needs humorous “infomercials” on how to behave in a better manner? Play those between the league and contenders matches for some visibility?
possibly or just have loading screen or tooltips explaining what is accepted and not accepted.
like “don’t stay in spawn for too long your team needs you and can kick you off it if you are being too much of a hindrance to the mission.”
or have a list of things they condone and don’t condone in the game that’s linked from the game to the official website, like a code of conduct.
It is black and white. I literally do not care for a long winded discussion about something that is that clear.
just as you have your defined list of what you think is accepted doesn’t mean others have the exact same defined list as you, otherwise there would be no confusion on the topic.
you care but you do not care to have the discussion and that’s fine.
i won’t press you further because i don’t want to drag you into a discussion you don’t care for.
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My defined list?
No no no. They are the rules, as defined by Blizzard.
There is no discussion to be had.
“Using third-party programs to automate any facet of the game, exploiting bugs, or engaging in any activity that grants an unfair advantage is considered cheating.”
you’re showing me a list that 90% of the playerbase is violating daily and you think it’s being upheld? i’d say it needs to be more defined more than giving vague explanations about what they don’t condone that the playerbase can abide by.
like some people really do be reporting people for writing lol.
and hatespeech? literally anything can be hatespeech today so you can get reported for saying “let’s win guys!”
i’m just saying.
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You were talking about cheating. Not the rest of it.
As I said, cheating is a clearly defined, black and white thing. There is no “confusing” there is no “conversation” or “debate”. That is what they define as cheating. Opinions are irrelevant after that.
As for anything else, if it breaches that and you don’t report it… then don’t expect people to get banned for it.
If you report it, they will get actioned depending on the severity and/or volume of reports.
It is all pretty clear and doesn’t really need people constantly crying about it… but these forums love it lol
It is simple
- be civil
- don’t cheat
- play the game
- don’t behave like a donut
stick to that and everyone is golden.
“or engaging in any activity that grants an unfair advantage is considered cheating.”
that’s what makes it open ended regarding cheating.
if they cut this line from the code of conduct we would have a more concise list of cheating, not perfect but better.
but just this phrase alone keeps it open ended and makes it open to interpretation, i’m sure you’ve seen people call things cheating that you wouldn’t call cheating yourself.
that’s what i mean by bringing people onto the same page.
as for bugs, there’s plenty of bugs that give significant advantage that have been declassified as intended mechanics at a whim by the developers.
so that’s not exactly a black and white area either.
and there’s so many of them so if you don’t have a list of which of those that are permitted and not permitted there’s no way of reporting someone that is using some of these bugs because it’s questionable to the player.
i’m sure you’re aware of the multiple boop hammond situation, took them a while to say it was a bug and it wasn’t like they specifically told you in-game about it, if you used it before they said anything, were you cheating technically? and even if you did how would you have know you were if you didn’t know they had outlawed it as a bug?
No it doesn’t. It is quite clear.
Exploiting an bug is considered cheating. That is quite clear too.
Hammond multi boops aren’t exploiting bugs, that is mastering the mechanics (or accidentally using it if you can’t do it consistently). They nerfed him to make it harder to do, but you can still do it.
when i watched OWL they said it was an illegal move, as in they were not allowed to use it.
had i not heard that i wouldn’t thought much about it, just as i didn’t think much about putting sentries in chests which i think they also said was illegal.
so to me it’s quite open, i don’t call anything illegal until i’ve heard otherwise from the official representatives of the game.
The rules of OWL are not the same as the game.
Come on, I thought you were smarter than that.
They aren’t allowed to use Sym TP and Mei’s wall together… or stall on rooftops with Doom… Doesn’t mean it is exploiting a bug. It is just their competition rules. That has nothing to do with the game terms of service.