Widow is unbalanced

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(Before reading this, please consider what rank you are at, if you’ve played ANY other games with snipers and instant kill hitscan, and please if you are going to argue against this, do it rationally. Don’t just cry.)

Widowmaker’s fire rate is insane considering what one round from the Widow’s Kiss does.
Many people like to argue that hard to play means balanced, but that’s false.
Genji and Tracer are hard to play, but you don’t see anyone (who has a brain and their monitor on) saying they are overpowered. They have counters. Winston, Briggite, Roadhog, Sombra, Mcree. Hell, even a D.VA can poop on a tracer.
Widowmaker’s counters are lackluster. Winston and genji can dive her, but she will just grapple away with that grapple hook that is longer Hook 1.0.
She can one-shot almost every second. A hitscan one-shot.
Look at other games. In TF2, the sniper can also do this, but he has extremely low health, and low mobility, meaning his counters are flankers and speed. He also has to re-chamber his rifle after every shot, making his fire rate slower than Widow’s.
In CS:GO, the AWP can one-shot, but so can a majority of the other guns in the game.
You get the idea?
In this game, Widow has so much mobility and damage that the only way to TRULY counter her is to either sit behind a shield for the whole game (god forbid that don’t have sombra or another shield-buster), or go Widow yourself.
Doomfist WAS actually an OK counter to him because the over-shield made you able to survive a shot from her.
The point is, she breaks the game. The only times I don’t see her roll entire teams is when we have a widow of our own, their widow stinks, or we’re running goats.
Even in dive, they just pick brig/mercy and press E on her.

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The fact that all the counters you could come up with for Widow, was Genji and Winston proves you don´t know, what you are talking about. She has more counter heroes than Genji and Tracer has combined.

To list a few:
Sombra
Genji
Tracer
Doomfist
Winston
D.Va
Hammond
Shields (So rein, Orisa)
Other snipers (So Ashe, Hanzo, Widow)

He has equal health to heroes in TF2 as widow has to dps. He has only less health to demo, pyro, soldier and heavy, aka the beefy heroes.

He does 150 body shot and 450 headshot, some weapons do 173 body and 518 HS… Which means nothing in the game can survive a Headshot from him, even with overhealing.

Yes hi ROF is significantly slower, yet he has nothing he cannot one shot in the game and he has the added benefit of really only having few mobile heroes to worry about or the spy, which can easily be targeted with teamplay.

So she has lots of counters, you just dont like them, well too bad.

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maybe you need to do some research before posting on forum. a good widowmaker is easier to shut down than a good tracer.

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Tbh I’d be fine if they just nerfed Widowmaker (and Hanzo) by reducing their headshot damage against armour. Suddenly, Winston doesn’t lose half his damn health pool jumping on the snipers.

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So you wanna make them less viable against the most viable heroes in the game currently, aka tanks and brigg ?

Okay… your very unqualified opinion matters, whyy… exactly ?

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I couldn’t care less about viability. I care about what games are supposed to be: fun.

Everyone complained about Brigitte’s shield bash being unfun, but getting headshot from the other end of the map for daring to poke your head out of spawn gets a free pass?

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Well then find another game to play, this is a competetive game and an E-sport. The games clear first priority is game balance.

Sidenote. Games are usually never funny for long if they are not balanced, that is why some of the most played multiplayer games are games getting actively balanced all the time and are huge e-sports.

people called brig unfun, cause that shield bash was totally braindead and could be achieved by a wheelchair stuck todler. The widow HS across the map however, has never been that easy, that is why people respect it way more.

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Ah yes, the “widow takes skill” argument. I was wondering when I’d see that.

Weirdly enough, every character in this game takes some kind of skill. That’s the point. But when the only certified counter to a hero is to "be a more skilled " or to “git gud”, that hero is broken.

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So you´re talking out of your rear again. Now, why should we listen to you again, when every valid and logical argument is throw out with. “Oh well fallacy 1 and fallacy 2”. “Well i dont and my opinions.”

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High skill = High reward, quite a normal and sound argument, the reason Widow´s unfun oneshot potential is balanced is, that no regular players will be hitting them and even the best players in the game hit on average somewhere of 20-30% Headshot on 40-50% accuracy.

That means

0.30*0.40=0.12

So on average 12% of the shots a pro widow makes, hits the head of an enemy. So on average 1 in a little over 8 shots hit the head, the rest either miss or are bodyshots. Now how many brigitte stuns do you think hits and enemy or misses ? i bloody well can tell you it aint close to 12%.

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No. It’s likely closer to 1% because Shield Bash gets used as a speed-up tool to get back from spawn so often.
Added, there’s all the times you miss or the enemy becomes invulnerable.
On top of that, there’s the buggy nerf that means you hit an enemy barrier despite it being 5 meters away.
So yeah. Nowhere close to 12%.

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That does not count, using the ability outside of combat for its speed increase is not it missing the enemy, that is using it for mobility. Also hitting shields as widow, no longer decrease or increase your acc, so all those shots are not calculated for.

The shield bash percentage is high as f*ck, my guess is it is far above 50% very far above. If you deny this we can easily go through videos an see how many misses a pro has with a brig in an OWL game, i bet you it isn´t a lot.

Sidenote: again you make a Fallacy as an argument…

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Looking at these threads makes the game look even more of a joke. Diamond is the top 14%. We have people who are almost in that top 14%, complaining about the last hero in the game that doesn’t get a single free kill by some cheesy ability or AOE spam.

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Sombra : Her ult literally makes sombra useless
Genji : Grapple.
Tracer : Grapple and high ground.
Doomfist : He no longer counters her. The shield reduction crippled him. However, SOMETIMES you can do that for Narnia thing and instakill her right back. Feelsgoodman.
Winston : good on paper, but she removes half your health as you engage and grapples away.
D.VA : actually soft counters her for about 2 seconds.
Hammond : Too low of damage to accomplish ANYTHING on her when supports exist.
Shields : I literally pointed out it was stupid to have to sit behind shields the whole game.
Other Snipers : I shouldn’t have to play a mirror match to counter someone. Also, Widow sh*ts on Ashe.

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Widow requires effort to secure kills. One shot a second is not high, it’s low. Tracer can unload up to 240 damage per second without headshots. Widow deals exactly the same amount of damage with a fully charged headshot. There is no scenario in which you can call one hero overpowered but the other one fair: in reality they are both fair because Tracer permits a much greater margin of error for aim whereas Widow requires pinpoint accuracy.

And for the love of god stand behind a barrier. If you get shot in the face you were in the wrong place, it’s not “overpowered” that the enemy can kill you.

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“I’m not as good at playing this hero x, as the other guy is at playing Widow. Therefore it’s not a counter”.

Have you ever watched any Widow player? Even in 4k+ they die to Winstons and Genjis all the time. Because the Genjis and Winstons over there are actually good at these heroes, and not just boosted by auto-aim and MOBA players’ incapability to land a single hit on the jumping Genji.

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I enjoy one shotting people in the head

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How are these arguments ?

An ult is now an argument, to why a character is completely within the counter category, if she does not have the ult.

Grapple. most of the characters you mention have f*cking mobility as well, the fact that you are unaware of this is laughable. Even if they just force the grapple, that is a counter in itself, forcing the widow away, is enough to severely affect her viability.

Again, what is this argument ? You sound like the level you play at. He counters her, he is a flanker, a very weak flanker currently but a doom getting close to widow is a certain kill for him, except on rare occasions.

Have you ever noticed, why good winstons 180 their camera, when jumping on a widow. I guess not, cause you dont know how to play the game.

Her mobility and DM counters her, no questions asked.

So a 2 or more versus 1 fight is now a scenario, where she aint getting countered ? Again, you are laughably stupid here. He counters her so bad. He has burst potential in his knockup, killing her even before she lands. He can instantly follow, where ever grapple goes and he can´t be headshot most of the time.

Saying, if the character has supports helping, then they are not countered, is not an argument, no one is countered in a 2v1 3v1 scenario.

But it is the counter, the game revolves around tanks, dps and healers, you dont like the tanking part, then find another game to play. Your opinion does not matter child.

No and you don´t all the heroes above are counters, but widow is as well, so can Hanzo and Ashe be. In long range they are outclassed, but medium to close it is the other way around. Plus both of them can easily get off the HS to kill a widow at range as well. Them existing means, that the widow has to be more careful of peaking and engaging them.

So you don´t want to look at the game, only your opinion, you are a great example of, what to not listen to.

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Again, tracer fires her WHOLE clip. You have proved my point that one-shots are unfair from primary fires.

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How does that make any difference at all? The rate of fire is the same. The damage is the same. Thus the DPS is the exact same. How many bullets come out of the gun really doesn’t matter, except in the sense that Tracer has lower aim requirements.

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Tracer has to hit far more rounds than widow does, has damage dropoff, and bullet spread.

Widow has none of these things.

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