I don’t belitle anyone but state facts. If someone is 1500 and especially on Ret it means he does a lot of things wrong. That’s fine. Learning and improving is actually the most fun process of the game.
The thing is though if you are 1500 it means you’re not even dealing damage properly. The main difference between 1500-2000 k is efficient damage dealing and healing. Then if you get higher it’s def rotating, doing setups and using utility. According to what PvP data says average 1500 player deals 20% less damage than 2k one.
I absolutely don’t want him to deny his fun but he has to learn a lot before his opinion can be valid. That’s harsh truth if we like or not. The problem is that I cannot have fun due to Judgement Dispel talent that for some reason had internal CD of 10 sec before (I remember it was done in S3 SL) and for some reason doesn’t have it now. With 2 stacks of Judgement it’s absolutely unplayable for Ele/Shadow/Boomy. It also counters Mages and Hunters that aren’t able to win with just damage and need to make setups. I think it’s another 10.0.7 bug. However this guy is trying to defend it and tries to argue with someone who is way more experienced (not even talking about me). So again with all respect it’s not about diminishing anyone’s fun but guy lacks absolute basic PvP sense or knowledge to be talking about current PvP meta. That’s said truth.
bro sorry but this is absolute rubbish
until yesterday, no one even played it
certainly not the top rated rets, guys at 3400-3500
now that 2 pvp talents have been nerfed by 50%, and some started playing it, suddenly there’s an outcry
if this gets nerfed into the ground, it will be something else
and so on and so on
once the forums are done with ret, they will go back to warrs
once warrs are done, they will go back to rogues
round and round we go, everyone knowing better than the last.
To be honest meta was quite balanced before the ascendance of retri paladin !
This rework mid season doesn’t make any sense!
It should have be done for the 10.1 but like always blizzard can’t wait and release dogsht content without even testing it
Do you know why? Because it’s bugged. Prior to 10.0.7 there was 10 sec internal CD on dispel. What it means it could dispel one buff every 10 sec. For some reason since 10.0.7 it’s gone. It’s the same situation like Psyfiend and Hemotoxin stacking that wasn’t a thing before Assassination got buffed.
And still it doesn’t mean Ret is fine and was fine since 10.0.7. If you still believe it then you’re on some copium.
i’m not arguing that it’s fine or that it isn’t
i’m just saying, each day there is something new to complain about
before 10.7 these forums were flooded by arms warr complains
before 10.5, it was assa rogues
first few weeks it was DHs
even now, ret is getting most of the hate, but BM hunter is pretty mongo and it’s the next target for hate, just you wait.
sure if that judgement dispel is supposed to have a 10sec ICD, it should have it. perhaps the removal of it was intentional, most likely it was not. at the moment, none of us know.
what i know is this became an issue today, since rets switched from luminescence and lawbringer to it
and just look at this thread. blessing of spellwarding should be removed as well.
soon rets will have no pvp talents at all.
i have opinions about ret as well. i think the class tree is a mess. i think if they wanted to remove stacking modifiers, of dusk and dawn should have been the first one to go, and the related talents.
point is, if you take 1000 people and ask them to change or design ret or any other spec in the way they want, you will get 1000 different versions
enough of this “i know best” attitude. it’s just ridiculous, whatever the reason you might think you have.
To be fair. I couldn’t care less about what Ret Paladins talents are viable or not. I didn’t make a single thread about Rogue, War or DH. It is how it is. I actually enjoyed the game and agree with Ele nerfs but this is gamebreaking for me. I made one comment in topic “if you could remove one class from the game what would it be: Rogue”.
I cannot care less what “whataboutism” or excuse do you bring but I cannot play the game that I pay for. For years I play Shaman and mostly Shaman and if I cannot play it there is no reason for me to be subbed. I’m an adult who works 9-5 everyday and I want to have fun. I don’t even care if I get rating or not that much. I just want to play my class and I’m not able to right now. There is literally no excuse or argument that can justify this stupid talent. So please finish your mental gymnastics.
the real mental gymnastic is saying you can’t play the game
course you can
your shammy is exactly the same as before
you have the same 2 hands
ah, you mean you can’t win like you did before? of course, but that comes with all changes. sometimes the changes lead to overtuned or broken things, sometimes it’s a question of adaptability.
the servers are up buddy. you can play the game. you just refuse to, because you don’t like an aspect of it that was changed.
Comparing mortal strike to flameshock dispel makes no sense. It’s more like playing a melee and getting disarmed every few seconds off DR, but by your logic, that would be totally balanced, as long as the class with the disarm mechanic doesn’t have any other good PvP talents it can play instead, right?
Also thank you for teaching me about Control of Lava. I’ve been using that talent since it’s inception, just didn’t know how it works until you linked it.
Yes I cannot play the game. It’s some serious copium you’re doing here. Even Zeepeye is playing resto now - just check his gear. You’re seriously delusional.
So that’s why you are actually trying so hard to defend it. Maybe you’ll finally achieve more than Challenger. Pathetic… Another fotm reroller defending the most broken spec.
You’re not a type of guy I’d ever hang with. I don’t hang out with delusional people.
It’s funny how Rets use all the copium to defend their most broken spec in the history of this game so finally they can achieve their first Elite Set they don’t deserve. While others have at least to get decent at the game…
I respect all Ret mains who were with the spec for good and bad like Aldamaal and few others but this is just ridiculus. A lot of Ret mains actually agree that Ret is broken. They say they don’t even enjoy playing it anymore.
What ive read he hasnt rly defended ret? Its more pointed towards ppl always have something to say about classes even if its warranted or not, and if everyone got what they always wanted, in the end, PvP would be gone. Thats what I read from what hes saying, but I guess you read it like “ret is totally fine, nothing needs to be changed, im defending this to my death” which is kinda funny though, since alot of ppl on the forum seems to go the line of “if you dont say exactly like me you are defending them”.
For example, I’ve said rets abit overtuned. But the instant I dont go on their lines, they forget everything about it and just slams with “you are defending them” or the classic “delusional”, “clown” and “you are not glad you have no rights” etc. Its become the norm in the PvP forum for the last 5 days.
And to be honest, I wouldnt drink a beer with anyone on the forum >_>
But they are exactly delusional and it’s not that they don’t have rights. If they try to “educate” multi glad and rank 1 Shaman - Deepdamp about how to play Shaman when they are both 1500 on Ret it’s a bit laughable. Nobody wouldn’t mind if they brought their own ideas but they literally negate the fact that way better players say. The truth and the fact is that Deepdamp played against 10x better Rets who can use their toolkit way better and if someone didn’t even break 1800 means he cannot even deal damage correctly. That’s sad but truth.
If someone does mental gymnastics and tells me Judgment Dispel is fine and has to stay and these guys said it multiple times it means they are delusional and it’s hard to take their opinions serious. Considering fact that they’ve never been 1800 then it means they are defending Ret only to get their first Elite mog but not like everyone by learning the game but by abusing absolutely overtuned spec.
I’ll just quote that Dolff:
“Furthermore most players don’t want to be tracking CC on their allies because it drains mental focus and it’s not fun, which is another cost.”
So it’s not hard to guess why I came with such conclusion.
But you are dragging that assumption based to other ppl. Not everyone we’re that paladin, but you are also arguing like they are when u bring it back like this.
He said ppl rarely used it due to having other abilities that were more used which is part correct, pure was not widely used until they nerfed the 2 other pvp talents to the ground, atleast not what ive seen and it became worse after rework simply due to talents like blessed champion. So in his arguements he werent entirely wrong but also not entirely right since I have no clue what that arguement were based on. Today? before rework?
The issue becomes when you drag one ret as it applies to every ret unless they follow a certain line of agreement. So when you talk to someone that does not entirely agree with you in certain ways, you think back to what one ret who were not correct to make it like hes the same when they clearly were not.
I literally got trashed for not abusing the situation to climb but also got trashed for being low CR like everything I say, doesnt mean anything, just because I were a paladin.
I said I have no problem with long time Ret mains. I have few on my list and we respect each other. They are reasonable guys like you seem to be the one. It’s just these two guys who are just doing mental gymnastics to defend the spec.
I’ll be fair. I knew what’s going on after reading NA forums so I didn’t queue until Ret nerfs. I queued yesterday and got absolutely stomped by guys who were throwing defs right and left because I literally cannot deal damage.
I’m extremely frustrated because I pay for this game and I cannot play at the moment. This is beyond anything that was in the game before.
I understand your frustration since ele builds around lava bursts which is being mostly removed due to one ability. The biggest issue currently (atleast according to what some says) is that if you lets say dispel one flame shock or 3-4 flame shocks you only get dmg from one. Which then question becomes if its something that should be changed so it protects flame shock more or is it only judgement of the pure issue? Since in my own opinion, should be dealt roughly the same as Aff locks but it seems like it does not.
