I know live quests are overly streamlined, and handholdy, but got damn. WoTLK is like losing your keys, starting to look for them, then wondering why you’re in the garden, remembering the keys was in the attic and the entrance for the attic isn’t shown properly, and then finding out you had your keys all the time, but you had to use them while holding the door handle up.
I used to power level 1-70 on lots of different servers and forgot why I only ever RDF’d WoTLK and did some parts of Scholazar.
Played WoTLK priv servers for years btw. WoTLK leveling is awful.
Also questing in general in WoW was bad until later on. It’ basically fighting mobs that auto attack, and that’s it. Elites are supposed to be a challenge, but they ignore every spell you’re given on every char by being immune. You can’t even kite them as a mage.
My life left me and joined an insane cult where they’re trying to summon a demon, my heart is broke and I fear that if their designs are succesful it could have implications for the entire planet! Noone is safe from these manipulating creatures.
It hurts me so, that I must have a hand in my wife’s death. Please help me!
KILL 10 CULT PEPOL
Also the game isn’t balanced around group questing despite being an MMO. You get bonus exp, but the quests just suck. Boar hearts have a 0.1% drop rate.
I listen to music and don’t care about lore. See my cult wife kill 10 cult guy example.
Also using items in my bag for every quest didn’t make it interesting at all.
What??? WOTLK questing is where it became more than just “Go kill this creature ten times”. It sounds like questing became more than that and you had to look at quest text sometimes to really know what you were doing and that was “bad”.
If you do that, that’s fine, but you then can’t say questing is bad etc because you take no interest in it. If you have no interest in the lore or levelling, then I’m not sure if RPG’s - MMORPGs - are really for you.
That style of questing and giving me 15 stuns slows dispels, then making me fight an auto attacking mob 10x doesn’t really engage me with the lore at all.
The majority of the fun is at endgame where the NPCs have mechanics and you can play against players who use all of those spells.
I’ve been playing Wrath on priv servers for years, so miss me with the ‘MMORPG’s are not for you’ strawman.
Is this the new Blizzard bot line?
Also having to look for random items in my bags distracts me from my audiobooks.
Also as a PVPer, I need to minmax time because I have to raid as well as get higher rating, and gem and enchant two sets of gear, both with high priority.
15 stuns? Just killing mobs isn’t supposed to engage you, each area has it’s own story, if you don’t follow it questing is boring - I’ve done it myself until I took an interest in the world.
Depends what you like. I personally dislike going into a raid, and before hand being told to learn all the tactics beforehand, and if we’re struggling in a raid it’s nearly always waiting for the usual suspects who mess up to not mess up, while spending 12+ hours a week raiding. That isn’t fun for me, it was fun back then having done it all already, but spending inordinate amounts of hours getting gear and when you get the gear there’s nothing to do, isn’t fun. And PvP…with the mentality and connectivity between players in all games being worse than it was 15 years ago, I couldn’t care less about that bit of it.
The priv server playing would very likely be overly fast levelling, maybe they’re the thing for you and not Classic.
This falls apart when I’m on my second or third character.
It’s also still not engaging for the reasons I mentioned. It’s a game at the end of the day, immersion and gameplay need to go hand in hand. Reading shakespear, but every other line is a pause where you have to go and kill 10 auto attacking mob, with 1 button on some classes, doesn’t engage me in the lore at all.
The best thing about MMO’s is that they give lots of different playstyles a place. Mine is at 80, using all of my spells, because it’s a game.
Maybe MMORPG’s aren’t for you.
See how that works? The same as the priv server comment.
Criticizing one aspect of the game doesn’t mean someone should totally give up on it. Stop spamming strawman arguments at people.
But this is an RPG though. There needs to be imagination to what’s going on. Dungeons and Dragons is really immersive to a lot of people - not a fan myself - but it requires imagination and belief in what you’re doing. If you’re just banging out quests to level on multiple characters it probably does fall apart.
The quintessential aspect of RPGs is learning new skills and levelling up. If you only want max level and all the abilities, it really sounds like another game would suit what you want. Again it’s fine to do what you’re doing as many do, but you can’t complain about it when that is still a big part of the game. As I say, I never read quests or anything when I first started, but levelling up was still a huge part even if I didn’t like it.
Mm not really at all, you’re stretching with this stuff. Raids and discovering what abilities the mobs/bosses do and how to defeat them is a part of the game. Looking at all the tactics online and rushing to get it on farm in competition with some other guild is not the intention of raids, which is what it is now, I just won’t do it as much as I did since I know all the content.
I think you missed my point entirely with what RPG is. Imagination is with the world and the story.
By itself I never said it was. You seem to be trying to sum up all of questing as killing 10 auto attacking mobs.
What exactly was your point then? You were stretching to have some “Ha gotcha” moment but it didn’t apply. I said I didn’t find raids as fun anymore as I’d done them all already and guilds want everything learned before you even step inside. I’m not telling people to give up on anything, I’m saying RPGs might not be for you if that’s all you want to do if lore and the story you don’t care about, and how you’re here complaining about it. You’re obsessing over a quest to kill 10 cultists like it’s the entirety of questing.
Now, you are the one saying WOTLK questing is awful and they just suck. To me, you just don’t understand the reason for RPGs and why these things are in the game, and you just want to PvP or raid for hours, and there’s plenty of games that have that without all the bad things you don’t like/care about.
I wasn’t. I was simply showing you how pointless your own ‘MAYBE THIS ISN’T FOR YOU’ strawman argument was.
It did apply, because my criticism of questing doesn’t mean I should completely stop playing MMORPG’s (or play on private servers) the same way your criticism of raiding doesn’t mean you should completely stop playing MMORPG’s.
You’re drifting off in to space, just accept that you shouldn’t go around spamming strawman arguments at people and drop it.
You’re also implying that the parts of the game that you enjoy have more importance to than the parts that I enjoy, which they don’t. Both exist in the same game.
And finally. Blizzard agrees with me. Evidenced by the design of questing on live, which is 100x more engaging and fun.
It didn’t though. Levelling up is a huge physical part of the game, more so than raiding for the time that it takes imo. Levelling is stage one. Raiding is a stage after that, and it’s not even a stage that every player does; not everyone raids and it’s not a definitive part/requirement of the game, but levelling is because it’s a MMORPG. If you don’t like that or it’s a chore to level you described, maybe it isn’t for you. I didn’t say you should completely stop, but based on your posts it sounds like the game might not be for you.
But I’m not here bringing up topics about things I think are bad or unfun in the game, but you did. The strawman thing is getting a bit cringe now to be honest, and I haven’t spammed anything - maybe you should check up on both of those words before throwing them about.
Whether I enjoy them or not - and as I said I didn’t for quite a while - I wasn’t complaining about it as it’s part of the game. Levelling is a larger and more integral part of the game than raiding.
A HA, finally it becomes clear. You are a retail player. The game exists already for you. Get ready for the cliche…you ready? Retail is that way —>
How about you stop arguing about a game you clearly don’t care for, how entitled are you exactly to think your opinion matters more when you clearly don’t care for this game.