I’m all about bashing wow’s direction this expansion, but this guy, he rages even at the best of times, he is literally never happy.
There are better youtubers out there who offer proper solid feedback without the need to autistic screech at every tiny detail.
I have a problem with youtubers like the one this thread is about.
What a time to be alive…where the axiom “opinions are like A$$holes, everybody has one” is not just as true as it ever was, but a way to make money by being contrary…
I don’t think people have a problem with the fact that he is dissing the expansion, so much as this is what they always do. It is their stock in trade, they make money by being negative, and negativity sells, so they keep on being negative, because hey, it brings the money in.
What you end up with is essentially a videoed echo chamber, at which point it doesn’t matter, the fact that their opinion is entirely subjective, and not objective, they already have their fans, and whilst I am not suggesting that everyone who views them is a slavish fanboy, it is undeniable that you do get those types attracted to what is a fairly new method of ‘fame’ and ‘celebrity’.
That’s where the rot sets in, people start to go “Well so and so said it on their Stream, so it must be true!” Why? Why must it be true? They aren’t a voice for disaffected youth, they aren’t bringing a meaningful message that Blizzard must here, they are basically a person with a webcam streaming from their house. Their opinion is no more, or less valid than anyone elses.
“Ah” you may say, “But they have many viewers, so their opinion -is- important”
So what? One of the most popular video’s a few years back was a man chasing after his dog which was chasing deer. Doesn’t mean I would take their advice on whether a computer game was good?
Don’t be naïve enough to think that they aren’t savvy however, they see which way the wind blows, and will then jump on board with their streamed opinion, and people suddenly treat it as holy writ, instead of going into it objectively and making their own minds up. I mean this thread is a perfect example.
Why make the thread? “Some bloke said this about a patch that hasn’t been released yet, so it must be true” What is your target audience here? People who already watch his videos? People who don’t, who you are trying to get to watch his videos? People who might have made up their own minds as to whether they enjoy the expansion or not, but you feel for some reason should not enjoy the game?
His opinion Does.Not.Matter.
I would say it is as valid as yours or mine, but frankly, his is even less valid, as he is making money out of it, therefore it is in his own self interest to be contentious. His opinion is less objective than mine is. I don’t profit from praising, or slamming the expansion. He does.
If people stopped treating Youtubers and Streamers as if they were some sort of entities with divine insight instead of just another nerd sat at their gaming desk, same as the rest of us, then people might enjoy games more, without being told that they shouldn’t.
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Imo that ‘honor’ would go to Asmongold (though he’s more a streamer than a YouTuber).
For me all the youtubers could go in hell. I dont care about . they are at the same level as me as player. They gain as more as ppl watch their video. Now there are more complaint than positive review: so they are goin where the wind blow.
BUT the woodlow statement is absolutely true. The xp nerf is the only positive thing in this 8.1. Im very disappointed.
Oh this is not true for all of them.
I find that “Taliesin and Evitel” and “SoulSoBreezy” are pretty much sticking to their guns.
EDIT: Probably missed some people, but I don’t watch a whole lot of WoW YTers.
true. but they T & E are almost wowhead employees… But you have a point
T & E are basically full blown Blizzard shills.
Everyone else is negative.
The youtube scene for WoW is a mess - I find Bellular to be the only level headed one.
Only up to a degree. He’s been on the ‘negative’ trend too, but he does at least try to add constructive criticism to what he says/shows (but even Az does this, just on a much less frequent basis).
But I disagree with many of his views on the game, so yeah that probably influences my opinion on him if I’m honest.
I appreciate their videos the most – regardless of their views.
I mean, they at least produce actual videos. They have an introduction segment. They show relevant footage. They bring up community responses. They divide the content between each other. They have music. And they have a casual ending.
Like, there’s a script behind their videos, and an actual production, and some effort clearly goes into making those videos.
Most of the other YouTube personalities, like the one this thread is about, is just a dude sitting in his chair in front of his webcam talking at length until he can’t be bothered anymore. It’s such low effort.
Read: “Taliesin and Evitel don’t fit my personal narrative, so obviously are shills.”
Read “Other You Tubers realised where the money is and back up my personal opinion therefore they are -Right!-”
Why not Unsubscribe? Or if you have paid in advance, why not just not play and check the forums? Just let it go. What are you hoping to achieve by spreading negativity? People are still enjoying the game, you know that Blizzard do not check the EU forums, so who is your target audience here? What is your aim?
Just be honest and open about it.
“I don’t like this game and nor should you”
It isn’t difficult to say, so why hide behind Youtubers?
Who gives a monkeys what some stupidly named Youtuber says? Who cares?
Just be honest and say what -you- think, not what some Youtuber thinks who ultimately has less of a grasp of the game than you and probably I do, purely because they have a financial interest in saying certain things.
Just be honest and have your own opinions…
This guy is just full of negativity and will always find something wrong with Blizzard and WOW, yet WOW is what pays his bills isnt that ironic?
Thanks for the post. The video is good.
I agree that Heelsvsbabyface is sometimes overly dramatic, but quite frankly, he has been toning that down for WoW for a long time and his videos for BFA were not sensationalist in the least. In fact, he has been holding back way more than BFA warrants. Because with the amount of facepalms that BFA generates, you just have to hold yourself back 5x more than warranted and give the WoW dev team more benefit of the doubt than they deserve, else you have to stop your videos after the first 5 seconds with a frame titled “BFA is plain terrible, sorry”.
Someone mentioned other WoW youtubers - T&E - and those, in contrast, are complete shills. Their “constructive critique” is nothing more than unapologetic blaming of the players for everything and thinking up reasons of how Blizzard’s inaction or the nonsense that they do might make sense in some theoretical universe (which never matches reality after time passes - ie, they were big pretending that shamans cry too early because they just have to wait until 8.1, this is all good, things happen, don’t worry, you’ll be taken care of, etc, etc, - and look at how great this turned out).
BFA is wod 2.0 just with the content, but the content isnt rewarding or fullfilling, or is just repetitive trash.
But isn’t that a fair angle to approach matters on?
I mean, the assumption that Blizzard developers go to work with the intention of making WoW a terrible game and causing misery amongst the playerbase is highly unlikely.
More likely, their intention is probably to try and create cool and enjoyable gaming experiences. And I’d say it’s worth bringing up what those intentions might be, even if Blizzard stumbles and falls along the way and the final product ends up being rubbish.
It seems ridiculous to go down that victimized path where everything Blizzard does is something they do because they don’t care, and because they want to kill the game, and because they hate the players, and so on. That’s just stupid and untrue, and we all know it. The only reason why some YouTube personalities preach that message is because their hate-filled viewers want to hear it.
I like the reasonable and down-to-earth approach of T&E, even if I don’t always agree with their personal opinions about the enjoyment of the content (Warfront or Island Expeditions or whatever). The doom-saying and sky-is-falling message that other YouTubers present all the time is just stupid and void of truth or reality.
No, that’s not a fair angle to approach matters on.
The assumption is not that Blizzard developers go to work with the intention of making WoW a terrible game and causing misery to the players. The assumption is that they of course want players to be happy but that this takes a second seat to means of extending profit and that with time the distance between these two things grows.
T&E intentionally close their eyes and ears and whatnot and manufacture positivity where in reality things are pretty dark. WoW devs drag their feet on something and that’s bad, but T&E invariably say that it isn’t bad, it’s just players feeling unreasonably entitled, that the lazy WoW devs in fact are rather wise and are perhaps not fixing the issue because bla bla bla bla bla. At some point you stop taking this as genuine thoughts or naivete, realize that they profit from WoW having players and are materially interested in painting a way more rosy picture than the reality is, and start calling this shilling.
The conspiracy videos, long live those. 
It seems so silly. I like T&E because they actually discuss the game for what it is. I like Kelani for the same reason: He’s down to earth and focuses entirely on the game content. Most other YouTubers don’t actually talk about the WoW content very much, they just use it as way to segment into a discussion about why Blizzard sucks, why WoW is dying, why people don’t like the game, why Activision is taking over, why the sky is falling, and so on. It’s dumb, and it has no real focus on WoW. Again, look at the Heelsvsbabyface videos. He went straight from WoW hating to Diablo Immortal hating to Fallout 64 hating to EA hating and back to WoW hating. He’s not making WoW videos. He makes videos where he just hates on whatever is popular to hate on.
What? You call that Blizzard devs of course want players to be happy but this takes a second seat to means of extending profit and the distance between these two things grows over time - you call that a conspiracy theory???
Let’s end this pointless exchange then. What I said is reality.
My class and spec still garbage so nothing new in 8.1 for me.
I’ve openly said multiple times how much I currently dislike the game.
Doesn’t stop an army of people trying to dismiss negative opinions with the whole “just repeating what youtubers say” BS.
I’m not trying to achieve anything. I’m not trying to sway anyone, I’m simply stating my dissatisfaction with the game. I pay for it, I am ALLOWED to say it.
Why are you so afraid of negative opinions?