About this MM "rework" and the spec in general

By some accident you managed to land on an actual fun playstyle with the whole sentinel hydra thing we had going on, giving us viable 2 target cleave that we haven’t ever had as MM.

And that was nice, for the 4 weeks we actually got to enjoy it (since mythic opened). And now you’ve just decided, as usual, MM is not allowed to be better than BM or be good at all so let’s not only buff BM to make it better than MM, but also rework MM to the point that the hydra build is dead and we’re left with some abomination of a rework that feels infinitely worse to play. As someone that’s played hunter for many years, it just feels like MM has become a “maybe good for a month in the beginning of the tier, then back to BM when it ultimately is tuned to be the better” spec. And doing it halfway through the tier after many of us have already committed vaults/raids targeting MM items is another punch to the gut.

Lets not mention the buffs to dh/dks and leaving warlocks untouched on top of everything. Which is so ridiculous, the whole reason you said you reigned in MM was because it was overperforming (on 1 raid fight btw). Well, warlocks are doing 10% more overall than literally anyone else in M+, and DH/DKs have been two of the top specs since the expansion started. All this both in M+ and Raid. We not applying that logic to them tho, just MM right?

It’s so exhausting, I started playing hunter because I liked the archer archetype, meanwhile I’m stuck shouting at my pets instead of actually being an archer. Constantly having to make sure they’re not gonna bug out on a ledge or pull some random mob half the world away when skipping in a dungeon. I’d switch class if I could, but unfortunately hunters are the only “archer” class, even though 2 of their specs I wouldn’t even consider archers.

Stop hating on MM hunter blizzard. BM should inherently always be tuned to perform worse because of how easy it is to get 100% efficiency out of it. Not by a lot, but a couple % at the very least. The whole point of BM is that its an entry spec since its so elementary to get ahold of and be optimal at. That being the case, you cant have BM being the easiest spec (in the game probably) and ALSO the highest performing of the 3 hunter specs, that’s my 2 cents at least. Never heard anyone that plays at high enough level, where these differences in a couple % matter, say that they find BM more fun than MM. We all just do it because you keep tuning BM to be better.

^ Granted, this last part is biased from my POV. I wouldn’t mind if the balance between which one we play was more even, but for the last few expansions it’s felt like BM has been a lot more dominant than MM, therefore > im salty x)

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MM Hunter rework is abysmal needs to be scrapped ASAP - Classes / Hunter - World of Warcraft Forums

The only reason I even returned to this spec was because Hydra finally made 2-target cleave feel good. For the first time in freaking ages we actually had something going on that front, and it felt rewarding to play. Now they’ve gone and gutted it and we’re right back to the same clownshow we’ve been dealing with forever.

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look how they massacred my boy

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probably the same person reworked MM spec who designed the entire abundance gameplay (completely pointless, meaningless, unfun), i wonder who is behind the mask, is it ClaudeAI, is it ChatGPT? We may never find out

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Blizzard… Revert your godda*n misstake! MM feels so bad atm.

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So many questions…

Why would you change radically the damage profile of a spec mid-progress ?

Did anybody playtest the Dark Ranger spec before it going live ?

Why do devourers and warlock get buffed or untouched ?

Does anyone at Blizzard have the sense to read feedbacks before pushing live such changes ?

Why wasn’t a simple numbers tweak enough to nerf hunter ?

Please revert this merde back…

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This rework is horrible, especially since you gave us explosive shot back but made it so bad and take too much talent points that we won’t even use it. Not to mention that the whole rotation as it stands right now is absolute horrible to play. Headshot needs to be a buff on the player not a debuff on the target, hydra needs to work with Black Arrow and Withering Fire doesn’t even work with half the stuff that procs Black Arrows….

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Why blizzard, why you don’t understand what to do with classes in this game. Your reworkes are horrible as usual. According to you, Mignight is about simplification, no more useless buttons/buff management without WA, exc., but in the middle of season, in the end of mythic bosses (hardest) in march u realise to rework MM. And now this is JUST old spec from s2 TWW, but today, it’s not funny as it was in TWW it’s awful, we played it before and in new expanison don’t want to play it anymore, cause gameplay. New talents don’t work and people won’t pick them without buff, gameplay looks garbage, AIM/Rapid fire is on cd for eternity just spam steady shot, is this gameplay cool/funny? Such spec rework worth it? With new must have talent hunters don t want to switch target and can’t do it, today MM lost all good things it had in s1 midnight, dynamic gameplay with cool burst in raid and m+, great hydra talent (the best solution for mm old problems with cleave in 2targets) it doesn’t work in DR and seems useless and week. All strong things become dust after this rework. Thank u blizzard. I don’t want to play (and can’t, cause talents in spec doesnt work) in MM DR, BM DR is dummy/boring, Surv spec doesn’t need in mythic raid, cause it is melee spec. How should i reclear raid on this cd, how could my guild kill bosses in march, when our geared hunters turned into useless pumpkins today? Play this game for 19 years and this wednesday is worst, a lot of questions without answers. Midnight felt great before today, but this patch (12.05) is apogee of absurdity, cause your greatness and very necessary rework, great job, thank u from your loyal audience

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I’ve had a hard time adapting to the new version of MM hunter that Midnight delivered, only to find out that they have completely rearranged the spec again, after a mere few weeks. So back to having no idea what I am doing again now just in time for my return to raiding after a couple of weeks off.

Thanks for that, really, thanks.

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ok first i agreed on your post and then i read the last paragraph we been ‘discussing’ the same thing over the past months here

entry spec, easy spec, baby spec, simplicity has nothing to do with spec performance and should nto be judged by that, becuse you press 1 button being rooted for 2 seconds should not mean the other spec should do less damage, this is called balance where blizzard fails

you can say MM rework is bad and should be changed, i agree that changing spec mid tier is a terrible decision especially if you think its the same dev team that said they dont want to confuse players, but saying MM should do more damage because its hard is not an argument its just stupid

i could say the same about frost mage should be tuned down, havoc should be tuned down, retri, garen and mundo and malphite should not have highest win rate in LOL those arguments are just bad

BM is not the highest performing spec right now, dont spread misinformation, its too early to say but SV sims higher and is a better spec for those few who will play it anyway and BM is useless in raid

difficulty of the spec never dictated or dictates specs performance , specs are never balanced like this, ease of play should never mean the spec should be weaker or otherwise

BM is not an entry spec, many high end players banishers/annicept prefer it because they like the play style, not because how tuned it is
all specs should be competitive, i dont remember a season where DK was not s tier with most broken tool kit, best survivability in game, same with warlock but complaining BM is top spec is just meh

Blizzard please revert this dude you went too far.

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Please revert the changes, or go back to TWW S2. The Hydra cleave was fun, and if you want explosive shot back, make sure it’s integrated well like in TWW where it reduced Aimed Shot’s cooldown as well.

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Yeah I feel you, pretty spot on. We had a good thing going, maybe play around with numbers a bit but at most that should’ve been it. Now all my gearing and prep we’ve done for bosses goes to the gutter, vaults/reclears spent gearing MM just to have to hard pivot to BM for some fights now, on top of that being the default M+ spec from now on, if not survival.

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where is baraden in this thread to say its fine, there are two other specs to play and there should be always someone at the bottom HAHAHAHA

WELL lets see if 1/3 hunters can achieve something like dk/paladins

at first i wanted to support MMs and stupid blizzard decision it makes no sence now bad it is

but then again BM was trash it is kinda still is in raid etc no one gave a damn all i was told just play MM just play other spec, ez should be bads

so I am having a LAUGH RIGHT NOW, MM IS FINE JUST PLAY BM

PS: too bad i cant post on na forum

Sure, fair enough if you wanna disagree with that, it’s just how I personally feel about the specs. That last part is also fueled by a good amount of salt :smiley: While I think survival has been fun to play here and there, generally people don’t play hunter for the melee aspect of it so I tend to not include it.

it just feels like over the last few expansions its been BM > MM a lot more often than the other way around, and I’m just getting sick of having to play BM to be able to play the game at the level I want. Granted, its a very biased opinion, Ill give you that xD if it was more balanced between the two as to what is the better spec I probably wouldn’t have the same opinion, but as it is I’ve just had enough.

I say entry spec because that’s generally the opinion around BM, therefore its gameplay is usually simple and not as engaging as MMs. And as someone that has to play what’s optimal for my guild raids, and for M+ when it comes to higher keys, it feels bad being forced to switch to a spec I find mind boring. I’m not a fan of the pet mechanics or outsourcing my damage to pets at all, so that just makes it worse.

And yeah, there’s people here and there at the top end that do enjoy BM, but generally from speaking to people that we’ve had in the guild and others I’ve been in keys with and whatnot, MM has been the preferred spec so I was just ranting

Also Idk if I’d say BM is useless in raid when for Lura it looks like it’d be a BM fight after all these changes, so now its also the spec we’d be playing on last boss

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i was posting the same thing about SV for the last days, this place is quite inactive though, even when SV was S tier spec the only one who played it was thyminde im joking ofc but the amount of logs sv had was very low for a S tier spec, i even think sv is fun to play now with hated boomstick

now again there is this thing called confirmation bias bm was meta in last season of tww for 5 months, s1/s2 was mm seasons its 10 months

how do you think those who playhed bm felt when its bottom in raid and m+ or not taken in groups until latest changes that made dr playable it was quite possible

pet mechanic is terrible, then again there are pet classes that just own every wow season demo and dk every season tier s

hunters are in general not vocal and thats the problem there were no posts here in support of BM early season b4 buffs, class writers and discord is not vocal either, we are not represanted like dks on reddit, paladins closing discord

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Yeah, I mean mm had its little moment during TTW s2, but outside of that its been mostly BM favoured (in relation to the ranged classes, SV saw some play as well)

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Please revert the change.

For once the spe had a good feeling in raid (Despite not messing our 2 min cds or risking being bottom). It was barely “good” in m+ where sustain damage was not on par with the best specs (Receiving buff again by the way).

The rotation was here despite not being original.

This new iteration is an abomination. Bugs were present almost the entire week before release, no one asked for this. Releasing talents with non existent tuning is sad.

Having an amp damage buff to build on a target simply nuke one of our strongest utility since the start of midnight: switching targets.

Not even talking about using steady shot during true shot.

This is a kick in the teeth for all players who spent their sparks and gear on this spec.

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Big true. Also, if they want to make sweeping changes like this you do it at the end of a tier. not barely 1 month after mythic release. Having to hard pivot my gearing to accommodate BM for no reason

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