The resent Auction House changes are the worst thing ever! Oh god it feels horrible. And especially now that people try to farm for their Longboi mount. I have hundreds of Auctions going and resetting/undercutting already takes me a few runs to and from the Mailbox. This right now just feels like a real pain in the rear. Gold making is or was one of my favorite things to do in WoW. If it takes me forever every time I reset / undercut my auctions there is a chance that I’ll just stop playing at some point just because of this bullcrap.
Addons are free and usable for everybody. If you as a player don’t like the advantage it gives to players who use it, compared to people who dont have these addons, just download and install the addons. People who refuse to download Auction House addons made their decision. But right now Blizzard is just punishing everybody for a bullsh*t problem that does not exist past their spreadsheets.
This never bothered me enough to stop playing. Since I mostly play the AH, Query spam should affect me the most. And even though it is annoying, I’d rather have the lag then this… The lag is annoying. This makes me wanna stop playing.
If you are an AH enthusiast than this wount effect you,i mean what is the argument here?You love the trade in game and use of the AH,yet you go for addons.Further more as it is explained in the post,the specific addon lags the AH for the majority of the player base,and i dont know why they did not break some of the automation from the addon,they did that in the past with dbm(range bars),group finder(wq addon),realm hop addons and just from the top of my head the ones i can list now.The simple truth is this addon has alot of botting tools(scan the AH,snipe prices,post on your behalf) and those inputs slow down the AH ram for the servers.
You need to adopt and also realize you are part of an extrem in this endeavor that is oke with botting.
TSM is in no way botting. You cannot do anything AFK with it. Please can people stop comparing it to bots. I am against botting. This is not botting. It doesn’t just do everything automatically for you. You still have to post every auction individually.
It is allowed by Blizzard. These changes are not intended to stop people using TSM. If blizzard didn’t want people to use TSM, they could simply revoke their access to the API.
This is part of the problem. Blizzard haven’t been specific about what problem this change was intended to fix. But whatever it is, I guarantee there are better ways that ruining the game for a significant number of players. Me included.
TSM is not botting. It never was. Botting is strictly forbidden by Blizzard. Anyone who uses Bots in WoW is getting banned. No one ever got Banned for TSM. The Addons is out for quite a while now. There are tons of Videos on youtube on how to use it. It’s bein advertised on Gold making Forums, on threads on the Blizzard Forums. It’s part of every WoWhead guides. If it would be Botting Blizzard would have taken action against it long ago.
All it does ist streamlining and simplifying the process of Posting and cancleing auctions. It uses only tools that are inside of the game and combines them into a easy to use tool. You can do everything that TSM does without the addon. It just takes a lot longer.
I am very much against botting. Botting ruins the game for everyone. But TSM IS NOT BOTTING! You really should inform yourself better before you spit out bullsh*t like that.
And as Gravitate said, me and players like me, who like to play the Auction House are effected the most by far. Normal players who rarly or never visit the Auction House, or in other words the players who these changes are made for, are barely effected by them.
Auction House scans are just searches for posts, that you can do without the addon. You probably don’t understand what sniping means… If somebody posts anything way below market price the addon can show that post to you. You as a player then still need to buy the item manualy. Everything about sniping is technically doable inside WoW UI. It’s just so complicated and annoying that it’s rarely worth the effort. The Addon does not post on your behalf. You still need to post manually. The player needs to press the butten to cancle or post an item, every item in the post queue. Nothing is automatic. It’s just easier.
I am not ok with botting. And I am not part of an extreme. People just like to think that because they are to lazy to download addons like TSM, or learn how to use them. Some people don’t even know that TSM or other Auction House addons exist. And people (like you) dont understand how it works and have misconseptions. Not understanding or not liking something does not make it illegal…
Its a good thing they put a stop to the AH flippers and those who use their addons to buy items for them.
Yes i know, it procs. ITS NEVER automated
You wanna tell me your TSM and you are faster from me moving my mouse 3 inches right to cancel a post?
That is clearly automated. You guys found your way on this, i have read in the past how its done its not through TSM but its an addition. This abomination should have stopped long time ago.
I did not say I would delete my Account. I said it makes me want to stop playing. Most of my WoW gameplay these days comes from playing the auction house. Right now I barely do anything else in the game. If the changes stick and don’t get reverted or at least partially reverted, it makes the way I play the game painfull to a point that it’s not worth playing anymore.
Then perhaps it’s time to quit , this won’t get reverted or partially reverted as the majority of normal AH users are happy with this change , me included. This is for the best.
But it did bother others who also pay for the server access to play the game. These people, however, can NOT make the money in which allows you to play the game literally for free.
It does not stop AH flipping. Not at all. It makes flipping slower. Flipping itself is one of the markets that is less effected by this change then others. The most effected markets are crafted gear markets. Because every Crafted Item is not stackable and therefor needs to be sold separatly which is a separate action and when you have crafted Items from all the crafted professions like I do, this slows down posting my crafted stuff to a point that it’s painfully slow, it takes all the fun out of posting. And if I can’t reset and undercut my auctions because I am slowed down to a point that it takes forever to do anything, I can’t sell anything which removes to point of playing the auction house in the first place.
Addons are used in every part of the game. TSM and other Auction House addons dont buy anything for you! They never did. You still have to press the button. Actually buying stuff (especially in bulk) is easier with the default WoW UI since the remake of the AH UI then it is with TSM.
Procs? I don’t understand what you mean… I think you should take a look at TSM and other AH addons and the way they work.
Yes I am faster with TSM because I still need to click on the Items and the cancel button in order to cancle. In the normal WoW UI I need to go into the auctions tab, then click on a posted item, look if it has been undercut or not and then cancel it with two clicks. TSM combines the first 3 steps into one step and reduces the cancel auction to one click instead of two. And it does that for every postet item. Yet I still need to do the canceling and manualy. It does not cancel the items for me. It’s more like a macro then anything else. And there is a Macro function in the game by default! Where you can put in multiple steps of things and combine them into one button. If macros are allowed by default and other addons are allowed too, what makes TSM into botting again?
Yes its called an Addon. You know like DBM, like every other addon ever. You wanna cry about those addons too?
Craft a couple items, post, craft more and then the timer resets. Instead of crafting tons of stuff in a go while you go afk you will have to change your conduct.
But in the end, I really really do not understand this change. Undercutters are gonna undercut. It’s simple business. I get that and I never went to business school.
All of wow just lost their free market.
You selfish little doodoo. Thats why this change was made…its absolutely epic and heroic that you dont care, but others actualy do.
No, they actualy punish only those that spam undercuting hundreds of their own auction, causing laggs and malfunctions of AH for all other players but they dont give a flying F
Blizzard actualy hit the nail on the head with this one and this topic actualy proves it.
The people who you talk about barely interact with the auction house. If they go to the AH once or twice a week since the AH remake the auction house was never slow to a point that it was unusable. If you wanted to buy anything you could do it pretty fast either way.
Blizzard will revert the change if they see that it causes more problems then it solves, which it does. The people who benefit from the “solution” of the problem, where not really effected in the first place. And people who where effected are punished by the “solution” more then they benefit from it.
Oh they can. Thats the point. They can and they could before. They just chose not to play the game in a way to allow them to play it for free.
Also the WoW Token makes blizzard more money then a WoW sub. Because somebody needs to buy the token first for 20$. And then I or other people can buy it from the AH and get the equivalent of 13$. And those 13$ stay with blizzard anyway.
If gold makers stop playing the game because of this change, those gold makers will stop buying the wow token as a resault. Then the price of the token will tank because there will be more people offering tokens then buying them. If the prices of the tokens tank, fewer people will buy the tokens because its not worth it to pay 20$ to get little gold out of it. Therefore fewer people will buy wow tokens to sell them for gold and the price will rize a bit but stay low. And that will make blizzard a lot less money. And they do not want that.
Oh I’d love to play like this, but here is the thing. This playstyle would only be doable if I would sell the few crafted items. Which is not the case. Crafted gear can take minutes to weeks to sell. Because there are those things like other people who undercut you. And when i get undercut I don’t sell what I crafted. And when I don’t sell stuff, what is the point of crafting in the first place. If I can’t undercut properly but get undercut I can’t make gold.
This will create the problems from the past which are the problems from today but worse. The old Auction house had the same problem but much worse because people could sell 200 stacks of 1 of stackable items. This slowed the servers much more down then it does today.
Right now just more people engage with the auction house because everybody wants to get their longboi before Shadowlands.
The lag it caused did not make the AH unusable for normal players. It did not make it unusable for anybody. It was a slight slow down. You could buy anything you could and it took maybe 1 or 2 seconds longer to load. Slow downs effected me and other gold makers more then anybody who engaged into the auction house so don’t call me selfish.
As I said it caused more problems for the players doing the undercutting then for anybody else. Malfunctions where caused by bugs in the code of the AH and not by the undercutting. And those malfunctions where fixed by blizzard with hotfixes.
And here is the thing you don’t spam undercut hundreds of items all the time. Because you only undercut if you have been undercut. If meaning if you cancel scan your auctions multiple times and most of your posts have not been undercut you won’t cancel the normal posts…
That is why you put a number of active sales limit on… honestly how is this difficult to think up? if people are limited to 50 active sales then they cannot really do the million 1-stacks obviously.
the limit is around 25-30 actions per minute until you get slowed down right now. The old AH will just bring back more of the difficutlies of the AH and it won’t solve any of the problems today.
It would be if my stuff would sell fast enough that I could play like that. But it doesn’t. Still need to undercut. Still need to craft in bulk on multiple characters if i wanna invest in new markets, which is part of the fun of gold making, that is being destroyed by this change.
Thanks a lot. I’ve got many compliments for my mog. The Top Hat and the Tuxedo is quite unique and fits my playstyle perfectly. Well that is if I continue for much longer
