Are there still Garrosh loyalists around here?

…and it didn’t work because he was the vilain.

You’re telling my Azshara and N’zoth weren’t powerful enough to survive longer than a patch and deal some damage before being stopped?

You’re a vilain in WoW = you die.
The only way to wreck havoc whilst remaining alive is to be morally grey.

Basically - being that of undeath.

Darion and Sylvanas spring to mind.

What reasons? :open_mouth: Just making a question because i can’t remember at all, not doubting.

How I said. N’zoth did a lot of damage to Azeroth during warcraft. But Garrosh fall was predictable, I mean it’s realistic at his case. He didn’t had the power to deal with two faction, it’s a fax.

Ye. Not allowed in WoW.
Which is why Garrosh had to fail, again.

The Humans’ past history with the Orcs. Also, he held a vendetta against Varian.
The Night Elves due to the stop in trade and the Horde was suffering because of that, albeit this was Twilight Hammer’s doing, but neither Garrosh nor Tyrande knew this.
The Blood Elves were about to jump ship to the Alliance. He basically had Jaina commit the bloody deed, so neither he nor Sylvanas had to get involved with dealing with Lor’themar’s betrayal of conversing with Stormwind.

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Responsible fir Cataclysm (that Dragon aspects got depowered right now, Emerald Nightmare in legion (Ysera died). I would call it achievements

The Cataclysm, you mean, breaking rocks? That event that killed no significant lore character, despite Deathwing literally standing on Stormwinds’ towers at one point?
Yeaaah. He achieved nothing (of significance), sorry!

He (as someone from Outland) didn’t had many reasons to be angry at the alliance, it was more the reason of being a hothead and a jerk. If he would have more sence for diplomacy he wouldn’t have any reason to hate them for acting reasonable.

Fandral was killed. Man, we shouldn’t just listen important characters. He caused much damage to Azeroth and their people.

The actions against his people were what made him angry. He was justified in that because the Orcs were abused and mistreated.

They wear threatened this way cause they deserved it from alliance perspective, even Thrall was smart enough to understand it.

It was still abuse which only angered the Orcs further.

Garrosh was right to hold grudges against Humanity and Kaldorei.

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No, he had reasons to not accept it but he don’t had reasons to hate them for this.

He did.

The Kaldorei more-so, due to immediate events taking place, but the Humans for past events of mistreatment against his people.

Garrosh miss me, atleast he dont have speak about the Global Plan everytime you meet him .(was funny 10 year ago, not anymore)

BFA War would feel so good if it was him.

Mistreat means to let them alive in camps and not killing them for their horrible crimes against the alliance? Good to know.

Obviously, this is from a human female fan’s biased perspective. I know your sort.

Absolutely, Baine will have his supporters, Sylvanas still has hers. The Horde is pretty divided (or should be) right now in that respect.

Plus starting war for the sake of it, well it may have been Sylvanas’ intentions all along to get a lot of people sent to the Maw, but as explained in one of these short stories (I think), her logic then (pre-BfA) to Saurfang was reasonable.

How long will peace last until someone else can’t get over past issues, old animosities, deep seated hatreds or whatever? Even Saurfang grudgingly accepted it (at the time).

But yeah the story now seems to be that Sylvie just wanted everyone dead :man_shrugging:

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It’s not biased, it’s the truth. What would you do with Orcs at this point? Would you let them alive so they can continue to kill your folks or do you have a better alternative?

Do you miss Sylvanas when she was just the “Banshee Queen”, because I do.

I’m not interested in this Val’kyr, Vrykul story arc that they had going for her. I preferred Sylvanas when she had Human, Highborne and High Elves Banshees all around her and doing their mistress’ bidding.
That was the Banshee Queen.

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