This seems like an argument for just selectively handpicking your own canonicity of the setting; Blizzard isn’t great (and neither do they care for continuity) and the latest lore always lays over the old in terms of retcons.
Bear in mind that world quests/dailies used to be a lot different, Isle of Thunder/Quel’Danas and they were generally tilted to show a progression/story - such as how the Shattered Sun beat back the demons, wretched and naga around the isle.
One quest was having them re-energise the blood crystals (the red crystals which turn foes into giblets the blood elves use) to ward off the wretched. While a lot of world quests today seem inane in comparison (champion this foe wants you dead… and it’s a goat.)
Edit: Not to mention world-quests are largely a repeat of quests you already do in the zones.
Just gonna say, Alliance gotta be careful when throwing around words like War Crimes.
Going by the list of things Garrosh was accused of, which people love to quote, we have…
“The charges are as follows: Genocide. (Political affiliation classes as Genocide, ergo Jaina and Vereesa are Guilty, Jaina also attempts Genocide of an entire Species -twice- and has to be stopped.) Murder (Jaina is definitely guilty of Murder. Waltzing in and killing guards who are doing nothing but their job is kind of murder…) Forcible transfer of population. (Oh heck yeah, I mean which population do you want? Gnolls? Blood Elves, Orcs, Tauren? I mean that last one especially lies on Jaina, her people -did- displace the population when they built a road through Tauren lands, I mean, they displaced the ones they didn’t kill and mutilate the corpses of. ) Enforced disappearance of individuals. (Lets be fair, the Alliance -tried- this with Thrall at the start of Cata)
The list of the heinous crimes alone was powerful enough to make Jaina tense. She glanced over at where Vol’jin and the other Horde leaders sat. She had heard of the treatment of trolls under Garrosh—and what the orc had tried to do to Vol’jin himself. “Enslavement. (So kind of what the Alliance did to the Pandaren in the Jade Forest?) The abduction of children. (Again, Pandaren children in the Jade Forest. Quite big on atrocities against kids actually, the Alliance, when not abducting them, they are outright killing them, weirdly we never see the Horde killing children.) Torture. (Pretty sure putting someone’s eyes out with your bare hands classes as torture, That was one of Jaina’s Peace Loving Officers by the way…) The killing of prisoners. (Fun fact, the only time we ever see Prisoners being returned to their people is …you guessed it, by the Horde… I mean Saurfang now counts too, but prior to that, teh Alliance is pretty chill with killing prisoners, the Horde seems to -take- prisoners) Forced pregnancy.”(What, did Garrosh bump uglies with a Dragon? Or wait, he is guilty by association? In which case I look forward to Anduin Wrynn’s War Crimes tribunal because he is part of the same organisation or iteration thereof that spawned Arthas Menethil. I mean that is -exactly- the same logic. In fact even more tenuous. Anduin was on the same planet as Arthas when he committed his crimes, Garrosh was not when the Dragons were so abused. Christie Golden needs to do a bit more homework as to what people can be held accountable for, as right now, Anduin is accountable for everything Aedelas Blackmoore did, everything Othmar Garithos did, everything Arthas did, Everything Archbishop Benedictus did. Does that make sense? No. No it does not.
Anduin winced, and Jaina could not blame him. She thought of Alexstrasza and the horrors that had been perpetrated upon the Life-Binder personally and the red dragonflight in general. Kalec was very still beside Jaina. She looked up at him, meaning to offer him comfort, and instead found him looking down at her. He knew what was coming, and slipped an arm around her.
She braced herself.
“The wanton destruction of cities, towns, and villages not justified by military or civilian necessity.”
No Charge stands. Theramore was a belligerent nation that was actively taking part in war against the Horde. There was Military Necessity. The Alliance were using it to open a second front on Kalimdor. It needed neutralising.
The Scale was drastic, but it was emphatically not a War Crime.
Don’t confuse Golden’s Bias, for what actually -are- War Crimes.
Only that he doesn’t murder a city full of civilians (because they were evacuated).
Those who stayed were combatants.
Nope.
“necromancy, also called the dark arts, is the study and use of magic to raise and control the dead.”
Is Umbric controlling them? Yes.
Is Umbric using magic to do so? Yes.
Case and point necromancy. The shoe fits. Nowhere does it say that you need to use x type of magic to do it.
Again, you’re wrong. Ultimate visual guide is btw canon so that’s a fact.
There is literally a cinematic where SI: 7 blows up the goblin vessel due to “No witnesses”. They then send out kill squads to hunt and kill these goblins in lost isles. That is not jargon, that is proof.
Also your definition doesn’t matter, killing non-combatants, even those working for the war industry, is murder. If you target x group of people, that’s genocide.
Shredders are primarily used to harvest things, the fact that they can be used as a weapon doesn’t discontinue the fact that Alliance are genocidal maniacs.
The pandaren the alliance forces to work for them in Jade forest. Forced labor = Slavery.
Brawlers guild works within the vicinity of the Alliance, therefore Alliance condones it.
Ashvane was part of Kul Tiras, hence her crimes still carry forward (as do Dragonmaws). It doesn’t matter if they weren’t part of the Alliance, as according to the novel, you are responsible for the crimes committed in the past before joining as well.
Again, Alliance agreed to these rules and by definition they are war criminals by their own accord.
Garrosh was. Garrosh ordered Sylvanas to move in. Sylvanas didn’t provoke that war.
And if you wanna go down that route all the way to “but the orcs started it!” then I’ll point out to you that it was in fact the Draenei’s fault that the orcs became afflicted by the blood in the first place (whilst also failing to warn them about the Burning legion) and as Draenei are now part of the Alliance, they are therefore responsible for starting the war.
Alliance attacked Sylvanas unprovoked in Stormheim (And Anduin -agrees- to this in the new novel, conceding that to Sylvanas in the Arathi summit, so your point is moot that way too), and Alliance again, attacked the miners in Silithus, unprovoked.
She’s not consistent. She forgives herself over mistakes she made but then in the next is all harpying over them once more.
Doesn’t matter how many times you say otherwise, she’s inconsistent and detrimental to the overall story (which you conceded).
Who knew, characters that can do no good and vary from being sympathetic to being not sympathetic at all water down their value as a character, all the whilst undermining the rest of the story with their awesome powers?
I do not know what planet you are living on, but destroying an entire city with civilians in it, is considered a war crime. You are misreading the charge. The charge was “not justified by military or civilian necessity” not that there was no military or civilian necessity involved. The court did not consider the comparatively small involvement Theramore had in the war, to make it necesarry for the Horde to destroy the home and lives of he civiliansof Theramore.
This never happened. If you are referring to the tirelessly debunked argument that her killing some Sunreaver guardsis murder: They were occupying the Dalaran state office for unknown reasons (they were not supposed to be there) and were armed and looking prepared to attack her the moment she came through. Murder is killing someone with malicious intent. Killing someone you have good reason to believe to be conspiring against you after they give you every reason to think they will attack you constitutes as self-defense. Had she wanted to commit murder, she would have not stopped at two. This is at Worst voluntary manslaugther.
Never happened.
You just stated doing such out of military necessity did not constitute a ar crime, so what is the issue?
Sylvanas needs to execute Baine on the spot and lever Mulgore to the ground. This way, the remaining Barrens Tauren won’t be stopped by peacmongers to act out their vengeance against Alliance’s filth.
She didn’t stop at two. She slaughtered all of Aethas’ guards (4 iirc) and then went onto the streets and started cutting down cowering, innocent sunreavers. And she did so with the explicit military support of Stormwind.
Go plays the quests again. And before you say anything - no there’s no difference between the portrayal on Alliance or Horde. Alliance side gives you extra OOF in that she murdered people standing ready to defend their leader after she entered with clear aggressive intent.
She teleports them to the Violet Hold. Anyone that dies is bugged as confirmed by Dave Kosak on twitter 6 years ago… as I already argued on these same forums 6 years ago.
If you want to dig through years of tweets be my guest.
A quick google search will show you discussions of this back when the content was still relevant.
first reply is Dave Kosak confirming that she teleports Sunreavers to Violet Hold and only fights those who are fighting back.
Do your own research next time, I went through this years ago.
Yeah, he’s wrong. He says the player only fights those who fights back but the quests actively disagree with that. He also doesn’t say it’s a bug, as you indicated.
Sorry, I’ll trust what the game and quests tell me over one designer.
I went through this years ago too, with people screaming “she only teleports people!” when it’s factually not true. Fireballs aren’t teleport spells.
Oh please, you know better than the dev? And he said that its a bug in another place but I wont do the work for you again, believe me. This is ancient history. Or did the whole part of Aethas finding out about the Divine Bell not happen either because it bugged and wasn’t in the game like he also said?
Also, walk close to anyone you kill as Alliance PC and see if they dont attack.