BAN Raider.IO

You clearly aren’t too good at it. Sure, they get customers, and its enough to feed a few mouths. But thats a meaningless statistic and it doesn’t paint the whole picture.

If you were objective you’d be trying to suss out how many runs out of all runs are bought to back up your hypothesis that boosting is endemic. Now you’re just drawing conclusions to suit your narrative and yelling “statistics, bro!”

A ban on rio wont solve any issue.

People will look for higher experienced players for certain runs.
People will look you up on armory, and since the armory shows your best timed M+ runs on each given character you can easily be “your own rio addon” by just using armory.

Only thing it doesnt show is how frequently you run M+ or how many dungeons you ran.
And Rio shows that info.

So if rio gets banned, they will look you up on armory and use their experience they had / how they used rio and apply it to your armory profile and decline or invite you.

If you can make such a severe mistake to make a statistical conclusion based on…what exactly? That you saw some advertisements on the /2 trade channel?
Where is the surveys? Data analysis? p values? I can also just go on the street, ask 5 people. Do you drink? If 4/5 says yes that means 80% of my WHOLE country is drunks right?

Since you made a similar mistake then I agree with Dejarous:

And the rio scapegoat…

It’s been said multiple times already…
If it will not be rio, it will be SOMETHING else or the pug scene will simply die out.
Almost NOBODY will risk a key where they got only 1 shot at to complete unknown stranger without absolutely any clue or hints what he or she is capable off.

Rio might be the worst possible tool ever…but if its the only tool you are given?(IN a PUG environment. I am not talking about pre-mades with friends and guilds).

I’m flagging your posts as trolling. Enough is enough.

Unpopular opinion but I agree with this post even though I think it could be more effort put into making it.

I do think its bad for a 3rd party program to gather this amount of information about players and I think there is so much elitism created by these types of addons. And yes they might be useful to some but in most cases they are abused to promote elitism.

I do agree with the fact that if not RaiderIO there will be something else that takes it place and I do think we need some kind of indicator to please the masses. With that said I also think Blizzard should ban all types of addons that gather and save information such as this, and that its also up to Blizzard to add something that will fill the gap.

I wouldnt mind if Blizzard made it so you can inspect and see like the three highest keys someone has cleared in time this season as long as its not a 3rd party program. That information would be more than enough for a majority of the player base and would be totally fine with me because its Blizzard that saves the information not an outside source.

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I’m kinda on the fence here. I dont use rio myself, as I do keys with either guild or community. However it does come in useful in keys above +15 where it is expected to be a virtually flawless run.

Sure it’s not perfect, but it’s the best tool we have right now (remember gearscore or inspection outside capital city bank?).

In any case, I believe the are adding their own version in SL, thus negating the need for this addon to a degree.

That’s what has been said in the past, not much has been said since then. If they were going to do further announcements I’d assume it would be when the the shadowlands first season is soon to start.

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Which would change pretty much nothing.
Take all the “big bad rio is being evil to me” threads and just change the rio to Blizzard.

I find it somewhat hilarious that an addon which just presents a number from publicly available data = OMG! Satan himself! EVILZ! BAANZ! NOW!
Blizzard presents the same data in-game = :+1:

As for the “I cant get into any groups cause rio” whinners…well they will whine that big bad r… Blizzard is not letting them join a group. :rofl:

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Well is just another excuses people find. On another game a guy was trying to buy an item from me for 1/10 of the value because:

“i don’t trust a 3rd party website showing arbitrary prices for that item, it cost way less”

(The site is basically an auction house where people can post WTB/WTS, but outside of the game. And everyone pretty much sell there, and group up when messaged by a buyer/seller)

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Prove that rio destoys WoW:
WoW classic: people will check your gear yes, but they will never expect gear to be wonderful, even if gear is not perfect they will gief you a chance to play, you will get invited very fast, your time is spent playing the game. Your stay with group depends on your performance on run. They wont judge you before they try you, you will have your moment to shine or not.

WoW retail: those bottom barrel people wont even gief you a chance to play, they will judge you before they try you, you will spend hours jumping in Stormwind before even enter in group, time is wasted waiting instead of playing… In the end boosting services flourish, people buy boosts to avoid discrimination and can play game normally.

I hope blizzard is alredy acknowledged about damage rio done to their game, millions are deterred from WoW because you guys turned game into second job, if you not belive, go log on classic on mirage raceway for example, more people plays classic than retail all because hell you created by this stupid BUYABLE low respect score. Be ashamed, and yes put that buyable score into your baboonholes and walk away, what you done to game is criminal, what can be more pagan than judging someone before try…again WoW is a game NOT job ! Its so stupid to demand CV for anyhting you doing its game you riofans its GAME !

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Yes, it’s a game, it’s supposed to be fun. Carrying ruiners that turn with their keyboard isn’t fun. It’s not a big deal in Classic, it was designed for people to be able to talk to each other in text chat during an encounter, but in retail it is.

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lol, you and your terrible justifications. As bad as your statistics.

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Its not about to carry someone its about to sportsmanship, to gief guy a try, to let him show what he know, not judge anyone based on buyable score. And even if run end as you “carrying”, you shoud be proud on yourself. Dont get me wrong I not support those boosts, if guy fails kick him if you want, but do not judge someone before try, and you do it all the time based on rio score. Demanding score for anyhting bellow m18, or mytic raid is just wrong, its parade of fake elitism not worth of any respect. and currently people demand score even for m10, its wrong, game is turned into 2 hours waiting just to play 30 minutes, its big detter for people. WoW lost millions, just look in my street, my neighbours, all stoped WoW because they cannot grind this score to please those milenial kids. Are they bad players because lack of score? Offcourse no, some of them can do m20+ if they want, but they dont wish their time in WoW to be wasted waiting and beging kids to play with, they want to play game, not to pass throu time consuming rio politics each time when they want into group, its tiresome ! They alredy has jobs, they dont want second or third job !

My justifications is pure reality which pains people, but truth always pains. Bro check what wow community become because this score, try wow classic, try any oither game, in no of those games you wont find such a bottom barrels, and all because buyable rio score.

^^ This

IMO players will always blame something.

Offcourse let them blame, its completly justified if they blame someone who fail… but rio score judge someone before he fail, and this judgment is wrong ! Rio cant only roughly tell you if guy can maybe fail, and in addition since score become buyable, it can tell you nothing.

With rio score: 2 hours wait to play 30mins, people spend game time waiting, dealing with rio politics, they have no oportunity to play game and become better because they get discriminated, as consequence boosting service flourish.

Without rio: Just look classic, people plays the game, group invite come quick, people have opportunity to become better players, because their time is spend playin instead waiting. There is alot of kicks but hey, deserved kick, no one judge people before try !

PS. Judging someone based on rio is like you judge “skills” of girl you want to catch in tavern before you actualy catched her. Got suprrised sometimes when light turn off ?!? See… thats why rio judgment is wrong.

On the contrary, Rio can tell you all that, unlike the armory. You can see how many runs they’ve completed in various timed brackets. The best run they’ve done for the dungeon they are applying to.

This is from the website but it shows up in the addon:-

There is no guarantee when you take on a random, they may be a great player but leave after one wipe, or they could leave the moment the key is put in, they could d/c, they could afk, they could be someone who has only ever done one of each +15 and bought them all.

The addon still gives you a better idea of the random you are taking on, as compared to blindly taking any applicant. Raider io is merely a reflection of their experience.

I would not expect anyone to take me to a +20 if I applied but I would expect to be invited to any +15 I applied to (providing they wanted a melee).

And you are missing the point. M+s are competitive in nature! They are not some chill-questing where you can take anyone anywhere.

Your judgement analogy about a girl in tavern also misses the point.

The better analogy would be:
You got a race coming and you need a driver-pilot for your car. You star asking for some people who at LEAST have a driver’s license(rio score) to begin with it.

Sure…maybe 1 or 2 people got it for free cause their “daddy owns the driving school” so they got it easy.
But is still less risky than taking a complete unknown, nobody(no rio score) and to find out that he doesn’t even know the difference between pedals and he is seeing the steering wheel for the first time in his life.

Because, remember its a RACE. A competition. I need be sure or have a reason to believe that the guy I put in the driver’s seat won’t crash…at the starting line.
If I want to “train” somebody, check if he is good or not. Then we got standard mythic dungeons for that and lower keys.

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You can’t compare retail and classic. Retail is harder, it has way more mechanics, classes require proper execution. I mean Classic is KISS : Simple and stupid. You just spam every day the same damn spell as a caster and as a melee it’s a 3 button rotation grind fest. Even tought BFA classes are quite easier compared to previous expansions from cata to WoD, those are harder than classic.
Also, adding the fact that mechanics are harder in retail than in vanilla makes the game more mechanicaly demanding.

If the game remained as easy as in Classic, then rio would not be needed. But what’s the point of having NO challenge to overcome ?

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Your reality isn’t the one that we inhabit, sorry.

Theres a bunch of people that have explained this logically and concisely. There have always been scores of some kind in game. There always will be. There have always been douches and eejits on the internet, there always will be.

A tool to at least help make sure people are up to the task is needed, yes, its a game and fun for many people is timing keys and rio helps that goal.

Blaming bad community on the latest iteration of the addon is just ignorant.

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If you spent half the time you spend writing this nonsense in game, honing your skills, you would very soon realize why we need rio.

I am no wow god, im very casual, really not an elitist, but i hate playing with people who are geared to the teeth and do 30k overall. So i need something to at least try to filter them out. 30k overall in a 480 finely tuned gear with sockets is unacceptable. Even by my casual standards.

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