Although i agree with the sentiment, that metrics like raider io and wclogs ruin the game for many player due to social preassure to conform sadly nothing short of a totall addon ban and going way overboard like Square Enix does with FFXIV would suffice to stop this. Also probably the removal of inspecting people and comparinng achievements. And although i would love that ban happening i think this would go way overboard.
You are either blind or you pretend to not see situation, look around you, boosting services flourish, people are desperate, discriminated and buy the score, all because rio score tempo…and in the end of the day you will invite one of those boosted guys. In addition who are you to judge about my skills if you never played with me! I say put your player filter into naked baboon back.
All my neighbours stop WoW because they dont want second job, they have no time to race those metrics each season to please those rio kids, each day they got cca 3 hours to play, they not want their 2.5 hours to be spended into rio politics just to play 30 minutes, those people are deterred from game because rio fans. Rio erroded wow community it really become community of bottom barrel fake elitists.
Inspecting was good thing in the days when gear was hidden behind skill, for example if you see in vanilla guy with Hakkar trinket , you can immediatly presume following: Guy is skilled, guy is dedicated…because you know that this trinket has very low drop rate, not evry monkey can kill Hakkar, and no one gonna gave it to him if he didnt win it with skills and dedication. And I can agree that inspecting people in retail lose its purpose, but this is because gear is no longer hidden behind skill. However rio is terrible solution for that, it destroyed and decimated WoW community, swayed millions to play other games. Blizzard shoud ban addons like rio, but again hide gear behind skill. this will fix current situation which is idiotic…
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So what do you say? invite blindly the first 5? You know there is no option for trying here, right? There is only 1 chance for the key.
I´m saying invite people not numbers. But i see that this would be impossible to achieve nowadays and just don´t engage in it.
Also not to mention if such a change would be enacted nowadays it would probably kill off most of the community in an instant.
Also no you have mutliple attempts for a key it´ll be just lower. Just run another one.
EDIT: It is just to late to revert what gearscore and sumsuch have caused.
@Praetorian same with a friend of me.
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Imagine spending 3 hours per day on game and not being able to complete 12 dungeons in 8 months…
Its not about “time” its about skill. And that you get by practicing. The more you practice, the better you become. Is that so hard to comprehend?
If you cant push YOUR key to +15, than stop appling to other ppls +15 keys…
Try to not play one season, and try it on dry without friends online, we will talk after 8 moonths, you will spend 2/3 of your playtime dealing with rio politics and litelary beg people to invite you.
You will got tons of situations like this:
Guy: LFM atal dazar 15
You: Inv
Guy: you dont know instance, low rio
You: but i alredy did m19 atal dazar, 2 seasons ago
Guy: stop whispering low skill pleb /ignore
I wish you a good hunt:-*
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No, you have only 1 chance for your key. The idea is that is gets higher and there that level is just gone. You have no other chance 
No you try, fail, do the same key 1 level lower, finish in time and then go whatever you got next.^^
EDIT: Unless they changed something in that system.
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Eh, so you add a requirement for having another chance. One that is not really certain of success either.
Whatever. Im a measly 2k peon and have no problems getting into groups of my caliber.
But i also dont apply to groups that are above my caliber…
I may missunderstand your post, sorry if so what i mean is if you have a Freehold 14 key and fail it then you always get the same freehold key but on +13. And if you do that and make it, then you get another key for whatever rng has willed to give you, probably Mechagon.
Sorry if i am being dumb i really didn´t understood what you meant by “add a requirement for having another chance.”
Banning any of those player skill metrics would ending up creating worse systems and situations. Those are necessary evil because the game is hard, that’s fact.
Imagine, spamming 1 spell doing 1 single mechanic being hard…
I still think those topics are made by same few people and their alts.
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Bro in that scenario you wont enter in any group, they will disciminate you to the degree that your human being wont be able to sustain.
Rio score did biggest damage to skilled veteran players who have no time to play the game as they used to do, because rio game become nightmare for them, just look my neighbours for example, they know how to play, when they had time they did really hard stuff in this game, from high m+ to mytic raids… but now they dont have time as before… I say they are maybe better players than most of of you, I say maybe because i never play with you. Yet those people wont be invited in groups, and will be treated like cattle because they have no time to race those stupid metrics each season. In the end all those poor souls abandon WoW because they dont want second job, cca 20ish people from my street stop WoW because this rio circus, they can no longer sustain discrimination
Game is not hard people dont gief oportunity to each others, comunity become terible, rio turned you into low skill fake elitist monsters ! Again i spit onto your skills if you must have evrything perfect to do your runs.
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Well in your example the idea is to run a +14. If that fails you lose your +14 key. You simply have only 1 chance on it. You say there is another chance by timing a 13. That timing a 13 is the requirement for another chance on the 14, which is no guarentee to do either, so it can end up on a 12 key. And then a 11. etc. So you got 1 chance.
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Maybe blizzard shoud make 3 attempts before key downgrade, this maybe ease the impact of rio discrimination, but still rio is terrible soultion, it need to go, anything which trying to make job from game must be erradicated.
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I gave opportunity once. Never again. The guys taged in my +12 without KNOWING BOSS MECHANICS. Nah, I won’t give change again. No way.
Unless you like getting your keys getting griefed by other players…
I don’t recruit top dog classes…but np !
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you are little god who walk to earth, failure is end of the world, downgrade of key is reason to jump from balcony…oh what a tragedy, oh my sweet snowflake, imagine the amount of stress of your godly being endured, someone ruined your key once, you become fallen angel, how can you live with it?
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Well, it is not a job. You can just join an open community and run there without any rio requirements. If you want to pug, what else can keystone holders do in LFG? For real? what is your suggestion? Pick the first 5 that sign up, no matter what? That is not really a road to success…
it only exist on paper, and someone from then appear after you spend 2 hours begging people… those are not open community those are people with reason.
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