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The Scrapper Changes are good, could be so much more - #11 by Destruct-runetotem
It’s not so much the content itself that fails to teach you. After all, aside from affixes, the mechanics you get in Heroic dungeons are the same as you get in Mythic and M+ dungeons. If you go into heroic dungeons with a full group of players in relevant gear it is a very good learning experience.
The problem is that by the time players go into those dungeons chances are they are already overgeared for it. Not only this but the matchmaking algorithm makes a point of putting high geared players in groups with low geared players to effectively carry them through the content. Most of the stuff I learned about the BFA dungeons was during the first week of the expansion before everyone overgeared the crap out of it. Now though, anyone who goes into those heroic dungeons won’t learn anything, even if they want to.
Ah… the good old TF issue…
I do like the TF/WF that exists in the game… It has its flaws but it is a very nice system.
I like the option that i may get a very nice item out of an ordinary dungeon. I will be more excited knowing that i may be lucky and get something really good. That wont make me a better player than i am nor i will be able to take the spot from the Mr Hardcore McRaider. I will still be the same casual player doing the same things i do.
The whole issue about the casuals that dont deserve better equipment falls under the EGO boosting umbrella and i will explain how i see this.
Many players want to stand out. They work hard, raid a lot put a lot effort and they deserve to have the best of the best equipment and ONLY them. How can they walk down the ogrimmar and not have all eyes on them if Mr Casual McRandom got a super item that he was extremely lucky and it’s better than the pro’s one? This reminds me of the old days when you could see a thunderfury or a hand of sulfuras and everything stopped just to watch that player that had the item walk down the street.
It’s not about who deserve what nor who is better, it’s just about who gets more attention. Otherwise why would anyone care about a casual with a good item? Who cares!
The system though do have flaws and should reward the hardcores more with lets say a system that you can upgrade an existing equipment when you do the same instance over and over again so you wont have to wait for a lucky TF.
In the end, whoever plays more will have better gear no matter what
yes this is my issue with that aswell, kinda sad to be honest. but i understand why they are doing that too
I’d be fine with a deterministic form of forging. One that would require increasing amount of dedication for each step forward even.
I just would like it to be applicable to timewarped pieces too.
I may be late but that doesn’t matter. I gave up on retail and unsubbed. Now I only wait for classic and probably leave wow forever afterwards. I still try give a suggestion or two and tell what went wrong in current wow. I do this so those who join the party late could have a better wow than what we had now.
Yeah I understand why they do it too, I just don’t agree with it.
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Ah man your getting me so nostalgic right now i want to do old Molten Core again and Zul Gurub again it was so fun!.![:joy:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/joy.png?v=6" ":joy:")
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I don’t believe in ego boosting either but what current wow lacks is progression. Let’s say we have two people who are mythic raiding. One gets 5 warforged or titanforged items and another one only gets normal mythic items because he’s unlucky.
Who’s the better player now if they were equal in skill? The simple answer is the lucky one who has reached higher in progression and is able to pull bigger numbers now. If the other person has to reach the same power threshold, he needs to be lucky aswell because there’s no other way to get more powerful after certain point.
What if there was a crafting system that allowed people to upgrade their item manually by hard work and what would be reachable without luck? It would require time and farming but getting there would be possible. There would still be titanforging and getting an upgraded item by being lucky would mean that you just saved 1 week of work perhaps? That would be enjoyable and more exiting.
Isnt that what raider-io is for? To make sure u can take players that allready worked their way up?
The “jealousy” argument dominates the pro-forging side once again. I’m honestly not surprised. If you can’t rationally defend a system just make it personal.
I can assure everybody that no mythic raider is gonna walk around, inspecting people and thinking: “oh man, I wish I would have that sweet 395 LFR titanforged item”. No one cares, no one is jealous, this isn’t some personal vendetta against the casuals.
As I see it titanforging became the symbol of the heavily flawed gearing system. A gearing system where randomness and luck dominate, but one thing is common for all of us. In the end, EVERYONE ends up with better gear than what we deserve. I’m not jealous of your TF item, I’m ashamed about mines.
But TF is just a part of the problem. The whole gearing progression in BfA is a complete mess. It showers everyone with loot, it is heavily RNG based and as the expansion goes further and further it becomes more obvious by every day that the end-goal of this gearing system is to overgear the player-base to a point where they can faceroll most of the current content. Did you find the MOTHER encounter at least a little bit challenging at the start of the expansion? Those days are over, let’s just burn her in the 1st room.
Removing TF alone wouldn’t change much, but the mentality behind the TF system is the cancer of the gearing system.
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And what is earn it???
Some of us are casual players and if i only have time to play the game for 3 hours a day then so be it. That does not mean i do not deserve this once in a million chance to get a better piece of gear…
We always come back to this! This is WoW and we all pay for this game in some way. I as a subscriber prefer to play the game while i have time instead of farming gold to pay via token.
Are you saying that i have to earn this gear by:
wasting my time waiting for M+ group,
waste an hour on all the wipes while in the M+,
possibly get kicked for being too good/bad at what i do?
STOP crying about this and move on! We are all different but because you like to farm gear in M+ does not mean others do not deserve gear via different route.
If you are a farmer, you will most likely be better geared then those that are not. It will take me twice as long if not 3 time longer to get to where you (M+) farmers are at.
As there are no statistics either way I don’t think you can claim that. Not everyone dislikes titanforging because someone got a mega tityforged item in LFR. There have been some very good reasoned posts about this in this thread. It’s not all herp derp they got a higher item than me.
Yeah better forge the game to casuals instead, i’m sure the people who put in hours and hours into this game because they love it surely won’t get upset.
lmao
There are 135 posts on this topic and the word jealous appears 6 times, 3 of those are in YOUR post. You even bother reading topics before you post crap like this? 
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You don’t deserve loot you didn’t do the content for. Simple as that.
It means exactly that. You didn’t put the time in so you don’t deserve it.
That’s how it goes. Adapt or leave.
Well, if you don’t do content hard enough that justifies the loot you got, you don’t deserve it.
You don’t invest time, your gear is bad. How it should be.
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Here’s an analogy for some people who don’t understand why it’s a problem to non “casuals”.
You and I both start the expansion wanting a particular trinket, it’s bis for both of us, starts at 370 ilvl from m+10 and can go up to 395 with lucky titanforging.
Week 1 - you get the item, just through pure luck. I don’t.
Week 15 - I still haven’t got the item.
and this can go on and on for whole expansions. Before people cry that this is too far fetched, one of my m+ partners got a 395 galecallers as soon as m+ gave 370 loot, he’s never had to do shrine since, i’ve done shrine a bunch of times since then and nothing.
Is that really fair? Why is there no way for me to earn the same equipment that you got from just being lucky. Reread that last sentence.
Why is there no way for me to earn an item that you got from just being lucky.
The reason there’s this segregation between “hardcore” and “casual” players on this matter is because it’s totally possible for a guy who literally does 1 mythic 10 a week to get the best possible gear through nothing other than luck while someone else who plays the game for months and months on end may never get it.
#hardtoswallowpills
Can’t agree more tbh.
Yeah. Welcome to WoW?
Edit: Stop acting like not being able to get everything you want is new to this game, it’s not. You can’t “woe is me, TF is ruining the game cause I’ve always gotten evey piece of gear I’ve wanted until this point” because I guarantee that isn’t true.
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Back then it was did it drop or did it not. Now it’s does it drop, does it titanforge, does it titanforge to max ilvl, does it have a socket, does it have tertiary stats.
Before titanforging, there was attainable BiS. Now? Not so.