How very facetious of you, especially coming from an alt. Too scared to show people you basically barely commit any time to the game? :^)
I’ve played this game almost since it’s release, I don’t really need lecturing on how MMOs work. People have a problem with titanforging (a totally optional system by the way that blizzard could easily disable if they wanted), and we’re bouncing ideas about.
Also what’s your point? MMOs by nature don’t let you always get gear you want so compounding the issue massively by adding multiple levels of RNG to that system definitely can’t do any further harm?
If the ungodly low chances that a +55 Titanforge occurs is too much too handle, let alone that it is even possible, then it says more about you than the game.
… and I’d like some of the whiners to show me in any rule-book where it says that you have to be top of the throughput list/table to deserve/earn the right to such ungodly low chance loot… fair chance is, that if you ARE in such a position, then you’re probably on the border of being (if not already) too good for the content level you’re in.
Ye tbh it says a lot about people who want to earn the best possible reward rather than rely on literal luck. They’re such bad people for wanting a way to have equal gear to people who won a coinflip.
Edit: also just realised you’re another alt poster, what’s with the whole hiding mains thing for people on the pro titanforging side?
… another one who believes that one person’s opinion has less credibility if the aren’t posting on a character that’s at least L120 - how exquisitely shallow.
Do you know me well enough, IRL to know who my Main is…?
Do you even know who my Main is?
My bet is that both answers will be no “… and I don’t care!”.
I could post on my L23 Warlock Bank alt. & my opinion as a Human being would be exactly the same, 'cos - you know - it’s the same person at the keyboard… how bemusing?
However you slice it, if your luck hasn’t afforded you a full set of +55 Titanforged gear, then you’re the one who set the bar too damn high…
Lulz, funny how because i’m against wf/tf then I must be a hardcore elitist who raids mythic weekly…i’m a casual just like you. Quite interesting to see that we only have a 2ilvl difference when you have done zero raiding compared to me clearing normal, several times. Don’t believe me, check my main Finnbarr-Magtheridon
Are you saying that i have to earn this gear by:
wasting my time waiting for M+ group,
waste an hour on all the wipes while in the M+,
possibly get kicked for being too good/bad at what i do?
Yes because that’s what everyone else has to do. It’s called progression and truthfully, if you are that level of casual why the heck do you NEED gear if you are not raiding/doing M+/doing high level PvP etc. You get rewarded for the content you do…don’t do content don’t get rewarded. You do not deserve gear just for logging in.
1 - Yeah lul bad luck is 100% the fault of wow, they’re literally the ones who programmed what drop rates and % of titanforges is. Are you actually trying to make a serious argument?
2 - Yeah it’s almost like what character you post on can give an indication as to what background you come from. You’re saying it’d be unreasonable to us to maybe think twice about another person’s perspective in a pvp discussion if they were posting on a character with 1400 rating in 3s even though “hurr durr it’s still the same person my main is 2900 rly guys”
3 - I’m not saying is saying that we all should have +55 titanforged gear on every socket, but I am saying that there should be some way so that I could earn that piece instead of just shrugging and saying “welp that guy was just luckier so i probably don’t deserve it”
My viewpoint - in life and in WoW - is that I get what I get & ‘better than advertised’ is a bonus; if you go into any Boss fight expecting a +55 T/f, you’re setting yourself up for a very hard fall if all you get is a standard piece of gear, let alone Gold.
Being realistic is seriously under-rated… expect nothing & anything else is a bonus; a lot healthier for your sanity, in the longer term.
I’m just a casual player, i play for 2-3 hours every 2-3 days.
I like the titanforging system, it allows me to keep up with the game ilvl requirements as patches come in, and feel like i can play the game and enjoy it without feeling i need to invest more time.
I got more important stuff to do, like my job, chores, house stuff and so on. Being able to keep up with the game like this is what keeps me in and not cancel my subscription.
Hey man good for you, to be honest that’s a great way of looking at life and games, until you realise that they are competitive with other players. It’s almost like this was my point from the get-go in questioning why you were posting from an alt. Posting from alts makes it harder for people to see what your experience/current position is. Now it makes more sense as to why your arguments are formed the way they are.
Now consider it from a player like myself (or any of the other countless committed players).
We don’t go into mythic raids expecting 395 gear. Nobody who plays seriously does. We just don’t think it’s right if i’m doing mythic raids and getting 385 gear and you do 1 mythic 10 a week and get 395 gear (which isn’t farmable without insane luck). For people like me, this is infuriating because it might be our best in slot and you literally just got lucky whereas we might be farming the hardest possible content and getting worse gear.
This is grand until you realise that this is what separates you from the people in this thread described as “hardcore”, we care about performance, competition, progression and rewards. You only really care about the last one.
If you think I called you out there to ruin your day by insulting your main then you’ve missed the point by literally a country mile. Did at any point I say “show me your main so I can laugh at their pitiful ilvl?” No.
I literally did that so I could see where your gear was from, what content you’ve done, what you spend your time ingame doing, what your experience is and so on because I can’t convince you i’m right if I don’t know what position you’ve come from. Why do you think I brought up the 1400 rating guy talking about pvp claiming he’s 2900? It shows what position he is talking from, which is exactly what I was pointing out with you. But no you’ve taken that as a personal attack, perhaps you should take your own advice and check the mirror if you want to see the problem there.
If you think i’ve got nothing better to do then abuse people’s mains ilvl, then i’m pretty insulted.
This character is my Forum Main (would be my game Main, still if I liked how Warriors play, atm) as it’s the one I created first when I started playing close on 11 years ago.
As far as my credibility goes, I stay clear of topics I don’t play (PvP, Raiding, M+)… I limit myself to generalisations & definitive, factual (who/what/where) questions that I know the answers to.
Would you look at that, we got to an actual starting point. That’s all I was fishing for to begin with. People tend to post on alts because they’re afraid their point isn’t validated if their main doesn’t back it up (which in some cases is actually a fair enough rebuttal).
Can you see now why I made that point? I had to see what position you started from before I could actually appeal to you with my arguments.
But you can see why some people would think that’s important as to how you tailor your discussions right? I mean I personally speak from a position of 5 characters with 365+ ilvl. It just means I put a shedload of time into the game. Nothing to brag about especially, just shows you where I come from.
I’ve spent literally hundreds of hours in mythic plus and i’ve seen people get some silly titanforges to the point of best inslot gear, I’ve had a couple of titanforges myself (typically all the good upgrades were on my alts), but that time i’ve spent in there is just to show how much someone like me spends in that environment.
The fact that you think every single person raiding LFR only(or has completed less content than you in general) aren’t capable of doing mythic raids/higher mythic+ keys says quite a lot about your ability to see things from different angles. There are great players out there who has to step down, or can’t step up, because their real life won’t give them room for it. There are people out there, who are better at the game than you, but haven’t progressed as far as you because they can’t due to their real life not giving them room for it. Sure they might not have seen the instance as many times as you, but if they are better at the game than you, they will adapt quicker.
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