Classic Fresh TBC Era Clarification

But you sound crazy, disingenuous, and not taking into account the 1/3 of servers which are populated. You are ignoring evidence to the contrary but looking intentionally at servers that are dead trying to prove your point (and no one here is denying there is a lot of wasted servers that are completely dead)

You keep going on about 14 players this and that, here and in another thread today. You sound like a lunatic, who is trying to validate themselves on a forum, and its so funny to read.

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How are some people so delusional thinking that Classic ERA is dead? I have been playing Classic ERA the whole way through until today and its a VIBE. Activity everywhere and fully playable and I still enjoy it. Recently got my 4th 60 level and ranked to High Warlord

Classic haters might find it sad, but I love exploring, creating new characters, making new friends and whatever else on these forever servers

If classic fresh turns into TBC ERA. I will play it forever and so will MANY others.

I think too many people are thinking the ā€˜world firstā€™ attitude applies to everyone. Not all of us want to gear up ASAP then quit. I like playing my characters, I like having fun on the ERA realms.

Learn to have fun lol. TBC Era is going to be a blast if they keep it a forever ERA server when it releases

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Youā€™re never replying to what anybody tells you, repeating over and over that this or that other server is dead, being proven wrong time and time again.
Your ONLY real argument is that nobody does BGā€™s ā€¦ maybe players simpley tired of this, maybe they go to Cata for their BGs ā€¦
Anyway two whole raids per faction in Ahnā€™Quiraj, worldbuffs dropping regularly and lots of auctions as stated below, falsifies your statement about the PvE cluster being dead!

Allyside we also had 2 Ahnā€™Quiraj 40 mans raid going on. There were all of 13 players in Alterac valley. I looked this up yesterday but did lot feel like elaborating even more on my long post.

This all tells me that your measuring rod - namely BGs - just do not work in Era.

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I can see how progression raiders would have little interest in playing a ā€˜foreverā€™ version of TBC or Wrath - indeed it defeats the very nature of progression.

Speaking as a non-progression raider (in truth I find raiding rather boring, I enjoyed running the occasional Khara at the weekend back in 2020, but couldnā€™t do it every week Iā€™d get fed up.) Iā€™d have no problem at all ā€˜subbing foreverā€™ on a static TBC or Wrath server, as my priorities and the things I want from the game are entirely different.

This wouldnā€™t mean Iā€™d log in every day of my life - Iā€™d still take long breaks to avoid burnout, but Iā€™d always return.

Then again, Iā€™m in a minority. For most people on these boards WoW is a raiding game, raiding defines, limits, and encapsulates their entire WoW experience, and if asked to describe WoW their answer would be ā€œthe game where I raid.ā€

Would that mean static TBC/Wrath servers would be dead servers?

Well that depends on how you define ā€˜deadā€™.

Era PvE servers are not ā€˜deadā€™ (save perhaps for the one remaining RP server that is not part of the PvE cluster) thereā€™s still plenty of players playing, but I believe that weā€™re all so used to the idea of megaservers with hundreds of thousands of players crammed into the servers like sardines in a tin, that any server without login queues, or massive crowds in the starting zones are now considered ā€˜deadā€™ and not worth playing.

As for the PvP cluster - my understanding is that Firemaw et al are pretty packed with players, but I canā€™t speak first hand as I donā€™t play on those servers.

Personally I wouldnā€™t give a damn if there were only a relatively small number of people on my ā€˜TBC/Wrath foreverā€™ server - but thatā€™s just me - as I said, my interaction with these games differs from most people - I treat it mainly as a questing and levelling experience.

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In other news, Fresh servers get dual spec, Iā€™m glad all you crusty purists didnā€™t win out over the masses. What little players ERA has left will move to the Anniversary servers in a couple of days, which will exactly prove my point that players will always move to the new thing.

BGā€™s are an indication of the player numbers and the health of the game because it requires a large number of organic players active within the game in order to work. It doesnā€™t work because the organic player numbers are extremely low and there is essentially only 1 active server across the entire region.

So if your character isnā€™t on that cluster you see no players, and even if your character is on the cluster there is no organic gameplay. Levelling up lacking groups for group quests, lacking players for levelling dungeons, lacking the ability to log in and just do content. The only thing alive is a small group of players doing semi-regular organised content and solo play.

In other words it lacks everything that makes an MMO an MMO.

AV is an 80 man BG, this is what Iā€™m talking about. Just not enough players to play the game. You queue up for AV for 3 hours and you get into a 13 player BG.

Nobodyā€™s doing AV but 13 allys and 3 hordes from all of the PvE cluster :rofl:

meanwhile 80+ players in Ahnā€™Quiraj,
50+ players in all 10 level brackets,
all dungeons have at least one group, many more,
WBs dropping regularly.

Yes Era is stone dead. :headstone:

And now I have no more time to play with you. I have a dungeon coming up :wink:

Lol yeah, thatā€™s 2 raids for the entirety of Europe, and an organised group of raid-loggers no doubt, it literally proves my point here. 2 raid groups entire europe, one active server, 0 battle grounds and when they do pop itā€™s 13 people in an 80 player BG.

Youā€™re literally proving my point lmao.

80+ per faction that was, but yeah, full brackets, WBs dropping, full capitals, but no BGs - which a BG logging group could organize just as well as 4 groups of Raid loggers can organize Ahnā€™Quiraj ā€¦ Get into your head that Era players just do not care for BGs.

And one thing more, as Era is one big battlegroup, the 13 Ally and 3 Hordies from the PvE cluster could perfectly well have been part of one full AV augemented by PvP clusters, German, Spanish ā€¦ etc servers. I did not check this as your original point was:

And I went to the PvE cluster and totally disproved you.

I do hope that they build this to be a progressive server that goes from vanilla ā†’ TBC ā†’ Wrath as I never experienced this content.

Yes Iā€™m so with you on this. If I see WoW as a parallel to life, then

  • Questing, exploring and grouping up in the world is my free time and hobbies,
  • Dungeons are like birthdays and holidays in remote family, can be real great, can be awful
  • Raids are like work. You have to dress nice, do your homework, bring presentations, plans, ā€¦ and please boss and co-workers or suffer the consequenses.
  • BGs are like visits to the dentist, proctologist etc.

In a fantasy world, tell me why should I do the things Iā€™d like to avoid?

Iā€™ve always maintaned that WoW was the greatest game, because it was many games in one, and you could play the way YOU liked, and do the things YOU found fun. But with the recent changes - and lack of changes (no TBC Era or HC), I realize that the plan is to make us all into small cogs in a big, corporate and streamlined mashinery.

I feel sad :cry:

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I really hope they clarify it soon and not in 12-16 months or however long Anniversary Classic is expected to run forā€¦ even if it has to have dual spec and instant mail and stuff. Iā€™m sure those will do some nice things but above all I just want to play longterm with other people who enjoy TBC the most :frowning:

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This, and giving TBC Era reams are not mutually exclusive - letā€™s have both!

Iā€™m a bit baffled by the fact people call era dead here. If you log in thereā€™s always so many people online that you struggle to find your character on your screen in Stormwind. Thereā€™s groups running 3+ naxx raids a day, and guilds progressing still. People start new characters, then rinse and repeat over and over. Era is very much alive, if you want to see it just go online :slight_smile:

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Just announce one TBC and one Wotlk, and enjoy lot of subcriptions for a long time Do as many seasonal besides these as you want.

I am not playing on a server where my characters are moved to a different expansion automatically because the season ends. This should have been the thing from the start in fact, always leave 1 server with the old expansion behind, and free copies upwards.

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