Dear diary it's been 1438 days

since i could turn into this

https://i.imgur.com/1Zo2ORL.jpg

we can all agree that dhs have been a failure of a class, time to give it back

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Nah, we cannot all agree that DHs are a failure. But turning into some other kind of demon would be a good idea. Dosent have to use the Demon Hunter model. Make something new and unique.

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Yes, they definitely should revert that failed rework. I’m including Shadow priest and Survival hunters !

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I belive that if Blizzard wan’t to change things with spec, like they did with Demo or Surv, they had to add fouth spec instead of crippling some belived specialisations for the sake of changes.

I really do miss demo having a demon form to go into. it even fits the fantasy of becoming this sort of powerfull demon caster. I also like that the model used to be dark, I’m not a fan of the current meta look DH has

Tbh I think this is the major thing I never understood

Old demo form did not look like illidan nor did it look like demon hunters meta form.

It was not fel infused or coloured and overall was just a big purple demon overall. They never gave DH any playstyle that realistically replicates it either as the mechanic itself isn’t in the demon Hunter

If DHs got a actual 3rd specc which replicated the warlocks old demo playstyle i would get it alittle more…

I don’t believe blizzards given reason for its removal being a true one realistically

Imho I think they simply didn’t like the fantasy they went as far as telling players to simply not play it in WoD and then redesigned the class entirely.

Current demo isn’t a bad concept but they just aren’t flashy enough with it.

They’ve given it imps felhunters and felguards… It’s not all that impressive realistically… and feels less powerful then being able to transform into a demon just from a feel from gameplay standpoint

They need to try something new at minimum current demo just doesn’t work all that well

Caster classes are dying
Ranged classes are dying
And the metas getting stale.
Yet blizzard do nothing and the population of warriors demon hunters and rogues do nothing but rise :frowning:

That quest line, for the Fel Fire, was the most satisfying thing I have done thus far in WoW. And I miss Meta-Demo so dearly… :frowning:

BLIZZ Give Us Back Our Meta!

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I myself might not like DH’s (I don’t much care for melee classes…I hate running after mobs, when I can simply toss a spell at them or shoot them!) but I don’t want them removed, but I also agree that:

a) Locks should be able to transform again (and glide if they, like DHs)

b) should get a specc that they can tank in while transformed (why not? IMHO having any class that can’t either heal or tank simply sucks - note: Mages for example should be able to heal (chronomancer - revert the target back to the state they were in before the attack on them happened!)…hell, maybe locks should, too via tranfering life-energy from enemies to the players?)

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I miss that spell. Used to tank mop hcs with it

1438 days that I’ve been happy to spec into Demonology again. I’m not a fan of turning into a big purple… thing. I’d much rather look at my gnome.

I prefer the current Demonology theme - that’s not to say I think it’s right in its current form, I’d much rather see a “thinking on your feet summoning the right Demon at the right time for the current situation” philosophy rather than just the massed hordes we have now.

I would however support an aditional spec with meta though - one themed around fusing yourself with various Demons for more power/damage.

I can understand why people hated Meta and why they love the idea of puppeteer master style of demo, but beauty of MoP/WoD demo was that this spec worked on gameplay and design level. While current demo falls flat due of various shortcomings of desing, tech-background of the spec. Demo as class, and we as players deserve so much better then what we have now.

I can’t understand.

Because this Demonology doesn’t summon an army of Demons. It summons Vilefiend (if talented) and Tyrant.

Imps; Demo summoned them anyway. It had Felguard too. If summoning an army of weak-as.s imps is counted as “puppeteer style” then that’s a problem. Because you can’t summon an ARMY anyway as it makes no sense to summon alot of Imps and keep them around (usually they are spent with implosion or Tyrant).

So no. I can’t undertand people that say “I love this Demo because its a master of summoning.” 'Cuz its not. It’s a master of mediocre Imps, which old Demo summoned anyway.

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That was sarcasm based on the crying in the forums at the time. I can’t believe people still think this is a real dig at demo players… but I suppose taking things out of context to fuel their own agenda is what gamers like to do /shrug

i didn’t see it as sarcasm. those nerfs were unjustified, iirc it was brf set that gave us something really good idr exactly.

anyway, by then they 100% knew dh were gonna be a thing and that’s why made demo literally garbage and borderline unplayable for over an year to accommodate the transition of removing meta.

ion was wrong to say that either way.

I still think that both demon warlock and DH could be getting meta on the same time. I mean, there are 36 different specs, they can’t make all of them “unique”.

Or it was so cynical, because during that time Blizz has already worked on Legion and Demonology rework, so in order to lower collateral damage and lower the numbers of potentially upset demo players, blizzard decided to use such tactic - lower the numbers of demo players so Legion rework didn’t pissed off more players.

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It’s hard to read sarcasm on a forum… nothing to do with taking things out of context I merely stated what i think really went behind the scenes while they made these moves.

It was a low blow on blizzs behalf, they kept have upheld these two concepts easily and if they really felt so strongly about ensuring they look nothing alike, a revamp to demos demon form would have been the better option

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It absolutely made no sense to remove demon form from Warlocks.

We are not using metamorphsis. Due to overuse of Fel magic, our apperance changes to apperance of a Demon. As simple as that.

What exactly is it that’s preventing them from changing that moronic nether talent into something like “Empower yourself with the blood of your demons, gaining new abilities and increasing their damage dealt 2%xnumberofdemons”

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But we actualy used Metamorphosis.

Jubeka’s Journal page 6

Day 36:

Remarkable! My first attempt to summon a higher order member of the legion failed as spectacularly as planned. The shivarra broke free almost instantly after Kanrethad completed the ritual.

I expected the frail human to be struck down while I banished the creature. Instead, in the instant that the shivarra’s razor-sharp blades sliced through the air, Kanrethad’s form shifted and the blades bounced as if striking stone.

Unlike the typical form of metamorphosis, he did not complete the demonic transformation… perhaps his research has been more successful than I expected.

But unlike Illidari whom received metamorphosis via absorbing ritual and mutations, Metamorphosis of Demonology is more closed to Illidan in that sense.Illidan and Warlocks changed via absorbtion of big amount of fel energy. For Illidan transformation was permanent, we unlike Illidan cannot maintain metamorphosis for long without losing our minds.

I know the spell.

Correct me if i am wrong; Demon Hunters are ALMOST demons themselves, to the point where if they die they come back from Twisting Nether. That’s also why even in their normal form they have horns and wings and look like a demon.

Warlocks are not like that. We are not “almost” or complete demons. Due to use of high fel energy we get stronger take the apperance of a demon. Once the energy is wasted, its gone.

Edit: Also you mentioned Illidan. Let’s not forget that Illidan and other demon hunters didn’t follow the same “path” to become demon hunters. Illidan was empowered by Sargeras (eyes and tattoes on the body) and became a demon-like after the consumption of that skull.