Just a quick question that has been scratching inside my head for a while.
Do -all- trolls go straight to Bwon’samdi when they die, including the Amani and Drakkari? Someone told me they did, I have seen instances that suggest otherwise. Such as the Farraki trolls having there own loa of death/father of sleep called Mueh’zala. On top of that the Drakkari loa Quetz’lun managed to create her own personal hell for the followers who betrayed her after they fell.
If anyone could clear this up for me I would be very thankful.
I mean, you ask the question and then go on to list two clear accounts of Bwonsamdi clearly not getting 100% of troll souls.
Kinda already got your answer there, don’t ya?
Bwonsamdi might be a cackling death god, but he’s ultimately something of a benevolent gatekeeper to the deceased.
Mueh’zala, on the other hand, is a directly malevolent, malicious, and hungering Loa whom the Farraki summoned for the purpose of sacrifice. Trolls perform live sacrifice as a means of appeasing many Loa, so I don’t think this would interfere with Bwonsamdi’s duty.
So long as you respect and your tribe respects Bwonsamdi, the natural flow of things will be to die and have your soul tended to by him.
… unless you have plot relevance, and then Bwonsamdi gets a smack from his boss.
Edit: I tried to link the Mueh’zala page on WoWpedia but apparently I’m not allowed to post links???
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I know, but maybe that stuff could of been retcon when they decided to bring Zombi boy off the shelf big time. The person I spoke to before was very convinced they do all go to him.
You can post them with `` like this (Discourse is weird with it’s permissions)
Here’s the page: https://wow.gamepedia.com/Mueh’zala
But what about the Drakkari loa then? She had her own place for the Drakkari dead, you can even visit it and see.
That was a special hell created just to punish her betrayers. In theory all troll souls go to Bwonsamdi, but clearly they can be intercepted by various influences and kept away from him.
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(nearly) All troll souls, or souls of people his followers kill, go to Bwonsamdi.
The usual exception is when another loa gets involved (EG Rezan or Quetz’lun) - I don’t believe Mueh’zala has had much fleshing out done to give a different account.
It’s worth noting how Bwonsamdi collects the trolls’ souls. At the Necropolis, we see dead Zandalari coming to him at their own speed: his voice is calling, and they must obey. He only appears to take a soul directly when he has special interest in the individual in question (e.g. Rastakhan).
Much like how the souls of other races drift to any other afterlife, I imagine any soul-snatching force (or, as others have said, another loa!) can take a troll’s soul just as well as that of another race.
Also, seeing his reach has been seen (or implied) to extend to at least the Echo Isles, I imagine it reaches to many if not all of the other troll tribes as well.
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I’d like to add that some Souls are given some kind of stable ‘afterlife’ as well, which seems to be more prominent in Troll Souls than most - at least, as I have seen it!
We see tiki spirits, natural spirits and wandering spirits in trollish places not just Nazmir. Some are lost and despaired, some seem in their element and some are just outright crazy.
This could plausibly mean that in answer to the OP: It feels more like a soul’s own choosing if it has the ability to do so. To either heed the call of Bwonsamdi, wander the places for some odd reason that keeps them tied, or simply as others said; get snatched up or join other beings capable of taking these souls for themselves.
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Thanks everyone for getting involved.
I certainly get that Bwon’samdi watches over a lot of the troll dead, the Zandalari, the Dark spear, since Vol’jin pledged his tribe to him.
But say if, for example a revantusk who had worshipped Halazzi or Akil’zon for the entirety of his/her life wanted to join them in the after life instead of Bwon, could they?
It just scratches at me thinking they wouldnt, I feel like we would see a heck of a lot more Bwon worship going on between all the tribes if that were the case.
The Sand Trolls souls do not go to Bwonsamdi they belong to there own death god. All the other trolls however generally go to Bwonsamdi for he is the protector and keeper of the troll souls, however if your soul bound to another loa? Your soul will likely go to them or you will simply- linger!
Thats what I have wittnessed through BFA, lore ect ect.
I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned but Krag’wa reincarnates one of his followers into a number of frogs during the Nazmir questing.
Yes, this is what makes me think Bwomby is not the only one that can ‘safeguard’ souls. His way - and other loa that makes death their domain - seem to be more or less regarded as the more ‘popular’ or ‘accessible?’ way of finding satisfaction in what happens after death.
In Bwonsamdi’s case, the Other Side could may as well be the Trollish vision of Heaven. shrug don’t quote me on it though, as its more a theory than a legit claim.
Followers of other loa seem - or at least the deeply devoted ones turn to their loa instead, like how Krag’wa returned his last Worshipper (i assume there were more worshippers since then after Frogmarsh) into frogs after his untimely death.
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Nice one guys!
So is it pretty safe to roleplay a character who is planning to join with a their respective loa and not Bwon’samdi, after death?
Just really dont want to be pulled up by the Zombi boi police again.![:+1:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/+1.png?v=6" ":+1:")
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Aye thats perfectly fine, Jac ^^ Many trolls bind there souls to there loa eventually for one thing or another.
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Do we see anyone bind their soul to another loa in game?
Plenty.
Both old and new Atal’hakkar do it all the time. I think there’s quotes you can find in Temple of Atal’hakkar.
Then we see G’huun and the Blood Trolls…
Admittedly, all bad-guy examples I know of, but there has to be some Troll lore head out there that knows far more about this.
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Thank you.
Edit: If anyone finds anymore information to support this, feel free to post it here.