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No it wasn’t because that tells the tale of the end of the war.

This happened at the start of the war and Azshara simply let the Legion in and slaughtered her people. She knew about it and just shrugged it off.
Thousands were killed because of her. Cities burned across the Empire.

It was only places like Shandaral and Eldre’Thalas as well as few north western places like Ashenvale and Hyjal, that narrowly escaped the Legion’s assault and the aftermath. Even Eldre’Thalas was attacked, but the Highborne defended it.

I know. But they obviously put more character in Azshara in her warbringer short and in BfA.

Actually that is incorrect. The Sunreavers did no such thing. One, maybe two, did. Do you go to war over the actions of two people who are not even in charge? if so, then Damn, the Alliance really does need destroying! Its crazy!

Incorrect. The leadership of Dalaran was the Council of Six. Jaina illegally overthrew that and seized power. We call that a Coup d’etat.

I mean a Coup d’etat is great when it works, not so much when it fails.

Vereesa was acting on the orders of someone who had just attempted to overthrow the legitimate government of Dalaran.

What?

For Real?

No. You are simply factually incorrect. All the Sunreavers knew about it? Yeah, I’m sure they had a sit down meeting about it. “We’re going to do something horrible militarily, but first, we really need to notify and get the approval of the woman who sells ink in a shop, oh, and an apple seller, because that is vital to our plan” For real? And no, I think you are confusing the Divine Bell theft with Theramore, Aethas didn’t know about either before they happened, heck he was -at- Theramore just before it happened, and it was -his- vote that actually said “Yeah, something bad is going to happen, we don’t know what, but the Kirin Tor should weigh in on the side of the Alliance”

You did read the book, right?

-ONE- Sunreaver who was a drug addled degenerate (as we later see) was involved in the destruction of Theramore. Thats it. One.

‘All the Sunreavers’ most certainly did not know about it, and most certainly Aethas did not.

Are you sure you are not confusing Theramore with the event that caused the High Elf War crimes in Dalaran?

You know that isn’t how it works, don’t you?

You can’t betray a body politic if you are part -of- the body politic. It can be a nasty body politic, you can take a moral high stand, but if you go against your nation, you -are- a Traitor.

You can’t be a Traitor if you are part of the body politic. You can be morally reprehensible, and tyrannical and ‘evil’ (Personally I regard people who murder civilians and torture people as evil, but hey ho) but by the very definition of the word, because the Sin’dorei are the dominant species of Thalassian Elves, they are not the traitors, the Mana Vegans are.

“It is evil and immoral to consume the life essence out of living beings!”
Says Vereesa. Whilst also eating meat, therefore consuming the life essence of previously living beings. So its OK if you kill them first, is that the moral difference here?

Nah, you’re not talking lore there, that doesn’t make sense, You are absolutely wrong in several statements…

You don’t want a discussion about Elven customisation options, you want a “High Elves are Cool” thread…

Again.

At least be honest about it.

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I wasn’t, I was just trying to defend Vereesa. Because so many people like to drag her down because of the mistakes she made.

Lets be fair here, there are many reasons to dislike Vereesa, I mean she never existed until Knaak needed an elven waifu for his favourite boy Rhonin, she never actually earned her rank of ‘Ranger General’ of the Silver Covenant (She was never even a junior officer in the Farstriders), She seriously considers going to move to Undercity and live in a city of undead and it takes -ages- for her to suddenly remember she has two young children and so it might not be best for them (Best parenting skills ever) oh, and she is a War criminal.

Lets be fair, she ain’t a good person.

I wouldn’t say she isn’t a good person. She made mistakes she isn’t perfect. Every hero in wow made mistakes but that doesn’t mean they aren’t good. There’s a reason why she’s the Sister of Sorrow. She herself said there was a time when vengeance darkened her which was after the bombing of Theramore. Alleria also darkened during the second War after her bother was killed. Their hatred got the best of them.

Edit: you can’t blame her because she loved her sister soo much she was practically going to leave the Alliance just to be with her.

I have a few basic problems with Vereesa. We’ll leave aside the blatant Alleria/Turalyon rip off, which is a rip off of Aragorn and Arwen from LoTR and a tired fantasy trope.

She is very young. As in -very- young, We know that Elves are adult by the very latest at 20 years old (Source: Edge of Night). We also know that Vereesa was -too young- to fight in the army of Quel’thalas at the time of the Second war when she is sent off with Rhonin.

(I mean I would seriously question her mother’s parenting skills, sending her off with an older human man to Khaz Modan at the time when she was a minor, but there you go)

This makes the whole Rhonin/Vereesa thing -really- questionable, but lets be charitable, and assume the best case scenario. Rhonin is essentially a 30 year old dude hitting on a 16 year old.

Thats a bit… Ehhhhh. And thats the -charitable- view of it, it could be worse than that, but we don’t know the exact ages, just that Vereesa was too young for military service.

So I’ve always been a bit uncomfortable with the whole Rhonin and Vereesa thing, because its a bit like an older rock star hanging around in nightclubs looking for chicks who are -just- legal…

So Theramore happened, and she is justifiably angry about it. But she’s weirdly angry about it.

Her calling herself Ranger-General is a joke. She was too young to have even finished her Farstrider training. She wasn’t even a ‘Ranger’ in rank, so she basically just steals a title.

She seems to believe in the sanctity of life, but -not- when it comes to her own species (and potentially past comrades), and not only that, but is happy to order the murder of people of her own species without any proof they were guilty or involved in what happened.

Thats not normal.

That is sociopathic behaviour. I mean that literally is one of the traits of a sociopath. What kind of person goes “that random shopkeeper was clearly in on a plot?” without any actual reason to think so? Who goes “This person is terrified and is taking their own money out of the bank so they can escape my reign of terror, they must be murdered immediately!”

Thats not a normal person…

So then Isle of Thunder.

“They killed muh husband!”

No Vereesa, they didn’t. You’re shouting at a bunch of people who had no direct involvement in the death of your husband at all. There -were- Blood Elves at Theramore, there was one group of soldiery (Because Lor’themar, like Sylvanas, was growing pretty tired of Garrosh’s shiz and sent a token force).

Garrosh used them as Bait. They also died in the Arcane blue haze of the Mana Bomb.

The Blood Elves she is shouting at had no hand in the death of Rhonin. And sure, grieving people are irrational at times, thats a thing, thats totally a thing, but she is escalating the situation, which is only going to end in the deaths of more of her -own- people, on both sides.

Nobody there was involved in Theramore. No, especially not Aethas, Nobody there was even involved in the Divine Bell theft. I mean Aethas found out about it -afterwards, but he never signed off on it.

So she’s doing the rubbish writing for female characters thing. And it annoys me. It annoys me, because you can make a good, solid female character without having to make them fly off the handle and go irrational in order to express their anger.

Its a pretty sexist take. When Garrosh got angry, he got angry. When Lor’themar got angry and flipped furniture bigger than he was into a fountain, he got angry, When they write female characters who get angry, they also always add an element of crazy to it.

Why? Why can’t a female character get angry like a male character? Why do they have to make them seem -crazy- as opposed to just -angry-?

Actually, no, they can. Admiral Rogers. She is implacable in her hatred of the Horde, and she never flies off the handle, but she is an exception.

Now sure, Vereesa is -young- for an Elf, but she’s not -that- young anymore, she must be what, 40 or 50 or so? She’s not a stroppy teenager, So why reduce her to that?

I really can when she forgets she has two teenage sons for a few days and has no consideration for how ghastly it would be for them to grow up in Undercity!

Again, She’s a victim of bad writing… I mean anyone sensible would have straight away went “I Love you Sis, but seriously, I’ve got two young boys, I’m not going to take them to live in a chemical factory that used to be a sewer, full of the walking dead, I don’t see that as a healthy move”

That would be a -Good- persons response…

I understand what you mean, but I guess love is love. It’s funny because both of them hated each other at the beginning but after some time they developed feelings for each other. And like I said her vengeance got the best of her which is why she saw everyone in the Horde as her enemies, Alleria was the same she killed every orc she saw even if they weren’t with the Horde or responsible for her bothers death. Both of them seem to be very sensitive and their hearts can easily be hurt and broken. I surprised that neither of them went into depression to be honest. But in the end everyone has their opinion, you don’t like Vereesa, I do because I can justify with her actions. I don’t think there’s any reasons to argue, which I really wasn’t trying to do even if it seemed like it.

No, no, I just like discussing lore is all, none of my posts should be taken as aggressive in the slightest…but as we all know, purely text based communication is -rubbish- for getting across whether someone is saying something with a smile on their face or a scowl…

Oh kk I’m happy to hear that. I also love the lore (obv I don’t know all about it and I’m more interested in the Night elf/Naga lore but I love all the elves in wow, and I really hope they are gonna add more playable elves…maybe Naga (and hopefully they will have their Night Elven forms like the worgen) one day lol) and that’s the reason why I play wow, I don’t really like the game as I’m not a gamer and I don’t play games at all. I play wow mostly because I have nothing to do but I love the lore and I could watch videos or read books about it the entire day.

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