Been thinking about this more and would love to see more connection. They’re purple and the stars, although slightly different for both.
While blizzard recently have focused more on the druid and sentinel parts of the night elves, one aspect of their core, the star theme and culture their civilization is based on and where they derive their name “children of the stars” - hasn’t really been visualised much in game.
This is the hallmark of Elune, the moongoddess, the night elf mage is distinct because of star/moon magic and the druid caster aspect balances nature and arcane star magic and themes.
You may not know this but a lot of ngiht elf civlization inovlves celestial and star magic, from names, to consteallations, and they are really into the night sky with a heavy star theme and a night theme that has been a bit ignored while focusing on nature and green fields.
Sadly only Tyrande in the Night warrior displays [the only time in game we’ve seen her actually fight properly] displays this - whereas warcraft 3, even the night elf priests had this magic - and we hadn’t seen their mages or their druid casters until wow.
The void elves actually share this part with them. I am not sure of the difference.. but it’s more like the void leves go for black holes, and the dark side of the stars while the night elves go for the brilliance of the stars.. But both use cosmic and stellar energies
Stellar energies are arcane - as we can see from balance druid, Priestess of Elune spells and Nightborne mage spells .
Void Elves - night blue, black holes, deep cosmos
Night elves - purple, bright stars, moon, night sky
Void elves are highborne descendants so will get on very well with Highborne caste amongst the night elves
Void elves would be very interested in Elune again after seeing hte void powers unleashed by Tyrande and the Dark side of the moon - they’d be VERY interested.
ALso Druids need help with the Nightmare, and void elf botanists would find this too incredible an opportunity to expand research and fulfil their objectives to help the world from the void.
Plus their themes of purple, the night, and the stars - totally align and they don’t have many friends -frankly it’s been totally overlooked and good beone of hte most powerful and tight alliances between races.
Also it’d be kinda nice for night elves to have some Elven friends or any friends for that matter, same with void elves.
You don’t play a void elf. Go back to your desert caravans Fox, and let the important powers discuss serious issues.
Typical, devious and mischievous, only popping up to cause trouble, chaos and mischief in your short little lives. Shoo, pest, be gone. The elves have important matters to discuss, as if your ignorant taunts mean anything.
Hey boys, its time to call a FOX HUNT !!! You’re trying to stop the void elves gaining knowledge and strong allies since you know you won’t get your grubby hands on the secrets night elf kind hold - even those of their kind that foolishly joined the blood elves in a faction neither belong to, simply won’t have anything to do with you or anyone else in your faction other than their elven kin, you honestly don’t think we would pay mind to anything ignorant short lived foxes who know nothing of elven matters and obviously seeking chaos.
Now the night elves are no longer in vigil or hiding, and we are on the same side now, they would release their ancient knowledge we lost , their secrets in controlling the void power of the night warrior and the secrets of the kaldorei empire the Shen’dralar hold. And the void elves would be right alongside them to help them rebuild, to help with the nightmare and to rebuild the temples and order of Elune, so we can protect the world from these powerful threats like the void and the Legion together and preserve elven culture and civilization in all it’s diverse forms.
Void Elves should be viewed with suspicion and distrust, as the Void is an exceptionally volatile form of magic that even the Burning Legion feared. It should not be treated as a fun, flavourful thing.
The Night Elves are reluctantly tolerant of the Arcane these days, but they despise Fel due to their past history. The Void is even worse than Fel with even more potential to corrupt and destroy.
But the magics are related obviously, without an explanation, my guess is that through the void, the void elves have learnt to tap into cosmic magic, which has void energy.
It’s kinda like the druid spells that now have the tag stellar damage - where they use to be all arcane damage, becuase during the eclipse buff, blizzard wanted starsurge and starfall to be buffed during a solar eclipse, but as the damage type was arcane, it was easier to create the subcategory stellar that could let the solar eclipse buff it. Well for allwe know the solar magic is a version of arcane that nature boosts nad boost nature - we just don’t know. High Botanist Tel’arn casts arcane, nature and solar magic and they are listed as 3 different damage types - but we have no explanation on how they arerelated or linked.
They are viewed with suspicion and distrust by Light types, BECAUSE of the void magic they use - not because of their character or their heart - this is the distinction.
Your powers or your inclination makes you evil, not your actions or your heart - it’s a form of prejudice.
Night elves we are told in lore are viewed with suspicion too by humans, as shadowy elves.
With night elves, they won’t have the same prejudice as blood elves or humans of hte light, because Night elven priestesses also wield shadowy/void magics too.. the Pain Mistresses mentioned inthe WAr of the Ancients, and then the Night warrior. Fel was much more problematic with them and they came round with the DHs,
ALso it is worth noting that thatyou shouldn’t discount the determination of the void elves who have much to gain, but also the curiosity and need of the night elves. The Highborne night elves won’t hold any such prejudices fors tarters, and the Shen’dralar have studied the void magic - remember Wrathion tries to seek whatever knowledge they may have left behidn in Dire Maul when they went to the Darnassians.
The druids have urgent need of help with the nightmare, and the void elves have been producing results that will interest them
The priesthood are no strangers to the dark side of the moon i.e. the void, and have knowledge to help manage the stresses of dealing with the void which would in turn cause them to help the void elves who in turn can also help them. The void elves would be very interested in their power and technique too.
IT isn’t, but you forget that unlike fel magic, night elves have wielded the void through both their priesthood and arcane mages.
Bottom line the void elves already have enough races holding them in suspicion too, and the night elves are quite isolated, it would be an unexpected twist off sorts that they reconnect very well. On the surface you won’t expect it, but for all the above reasons, actually it is quite possible and would work quite well.
What? I don’t think that is the case. Night elves don’t and never have hated the arcane. THe moonwells are full of arcane magic, and they recognise it made them. Also the Well of Eternity they look after.
The reason they banned the arcane magic usage - not arcane itself, was to prevent the Legion returning - with it gone, that reason died at the end of WC3, which is why they willingly joined the alliance and later invited back the highborne - it was pointless to keep banning.
People do not understand night elf lore - they are not magic hating races, and the lore is quite clear why the Darnassians banned it and why they are jumped at it agian post WC3, when they needed the power they use to wield with it.
Sure some night elves have anti -arcane prejudices, Maiev had thes trongest, which shd drops if you follow boththe Legion stories and quests and then follow the heritage quest lines, her blind prejudice nearly cost us the world. She is also an exception amongst the night elevs in her extreme view pre-Legion - as Wolfheart novel spells out and common sense woudl dictate.
The only other relative problem they had was the risk of addiction, but that was solved finally by the Druid Valewalker Farodin when the Arcan’dor was finally complete and beside the weithgt ofresponsibility of wielding any power is never without risk and is down tot he intergrity of the user.
I think night elves would judge via the intergity of the void elf user rather than the power. THeir problem with the Shen’drlaar coming back initially was not that they were arcane users, but was their reluctance to help initially during the War of the Anceints - only Maiev had a problem with the fact that they were arcane users.
Also the night elves aren’t shown to have any problem with Draenei mages or human mages who provided portals to Darnassus before the Highborne returned.
So, because of the above, this is false, with the exception of a few individuals [Shandris perhaps, and Maiev pre 7.0], this is not accurate. Especially given how many night elves are using the arcane again [as we see training in cataclysm and returning to it -both new recruits and those who were Highborne/Moonguard 10k years ago that remained as druids or priests.
Also after the legion’s 2nd invasion again, the Priests and Druids started using their arcane damaging spells. In Wc3 during the invasion, there was no point bannign or restricting arcane magic any longer, human and high elven mages were their alongside Priestesses of elune who were casting the powerful arcane damaging Starfall and we see the Balance druids in classic onwards freely using their arcane spells again.
So do tell how they would be so reluctant?
Correct, they do, and with good reason to, given what the energy does, how corrosive and corrupting and the sacrifice on life it demands.
Yet they got to work with DHs, and you can say they tolerate them. Void is different. And one they are more familiar with. The void energy is liek any power, can be used for good or evil, but unlike Fel, the power isn’t corrosive or corruptive itself. Using the void has it’s dangers because of the whispers of the void beings you gain when you tap into the power - not the actual power itself unlike fel. Which is an observation
Again two different things, and the issue with the void and even fel or any power to an extent is the degree you can trust the user. The integrity of the user counts. The Light can make you a zealot, the arcane can get you addict, the void can make you mad and the fel can corrupt you.
you can choose not to ever use a power, like EVER because it has dangers, or you can trust that your organisation and your friends, your priest friends will use the Light with intergrity your mage friends will use the arcane with integrity and your void friends, Night warrior, shadow priest lot will use the void with integrity.
Not only that, your help and support can ensure they continue to do it, and help them correctly continuoulsy avoid the pitfalls - especially your experience.
The Night warriro experience with the void would be inavluable, the Highborne and night elven arcane experience would be invaluable and the Illidari experienec with fel and preventing the total corruption of the soul would be invaluable. They can’t stop fel corrupting parts of their body (and accept this as part of the sacrifice) but they employ means to prevent the demon within corrupting their souls and turning their hearts evil.
Woiuld every night elf be kumbaya about the void elves? I doubt it - see how horribly Maeive reacted, but then she was written to have gone patialy mad with grief when Suramar (her home) was destroyed. However in the night elves, there is a potential for actually a group that embraces the void elves and who embrace them on 3 levels - with the Shen’dralar’s Highborne group, with the Moon Priestesses Black sect who train with the Night Warrior powers in particular and with the Druids who need the expertise and help with the Nightmare.
At least it would be nice for the void elves to actually have friends. If you want a completely despised group - we still have the EBon Hold DKs that are largely despised, and the Illidari too who most people barely trust and their people revile - the void elves already have lots of supsicion against them, it would be nice for a changes that someone embraces them.
Also I think it would be good for the Darnassian night elves, it would further prove they aren’et bigots and that they are quite reasonable - arcane was banned for a reason and no longer needs to, so they embraced it again and accepted their power their once more. The void they also underestand and have experience, they more than all, would be able to both understand and assist the void elves in their important work, and the void elves in Midnight prove how important their work is. They have reason to stay a way from fel, but they no longe enemies with the Illidari, understanding their courage and bravery but also stay well away from them because of the corruptiive nature of fel magic itself. Which unlike void magic, fel itself corrupts, void magic’s danger is from the whispers you must be mentally strong against. not from the magic.
This is something I really envy the blood elves and nightborne. Blizz really made sure their union felt natural and impactful. There’s a lot of great fanart, often showing both races as day and night in harmony. There is nothing like that in the Alliance, maybe one VE talked to the Lightforged, once, but I think they have great potential to create a special bond with the Kaldorei. As their ancestors, NE could return them to a more primal night magic.
I’m surprised that no one from VE magisters is interested in Shadowmeld origin. Why Night Warrior is so much Void oriented. Just look at Tyrande eyes and armor, she and other moon priestess used silver robes long before Rommath new fashion choices. Looks like Ren’dorei were inspired by them. All of Druids experience from Emerald Nightmare should be a priority for Void elves to explore, they should immediately pursue this knowledge upon joining the Alliance.
The entire Sisterhood of Elune is organization still full of dangerous secrets and infinite potential. Look at the icons of Elune’s chosen spec, half of them look like black holes or these flying balls around Xal’atath.
I’m so so so so tired of how Blizzard is separating NIGHT elves more and more from the themes of night.
IT is Alliance neglect. The attention to detail when it comes to the Alliance is far less than when it comes to the horde. They’ve really made an effort there.
I feel the same way. Night elves should have been really close with Draenei, and the Void elves becoming a think - come on, it screams night elves - especially the cosmic and deep space/night themes there.
Also they have strong cases for connection to literally every night elven group. To the Highborne mages through ancestry kinship, to the Priesthood through the Night warrior & Black sect void magic users, to the Druids where potential to work together is there because of the need to solve the nightmare and combat it better.
This is actually a fit that is even more interesting and varied than the Nightborne and Blood elves - who only have their night elven Highborne ancestry to connect them. Nightborne are of the Elune religion, not the Light faith so there is no connection there. Nightborne are night creatures, night elves or elves of the night for those who can only see the term night elf in a faction light rather than a species or descriptive light. Nightborne love the stars and moon, while Blood elves love the Sun and the light
It’s so much closer with void elves. the void stuff can relate to the night and the stars and the cosmos, the Highborne heritage and kaldorei civilization is quite compatibility with the void elves anyway, the Thalassian civilization is a derivation variant of the kaldorei one anyway…so they got that covered same as Nightborne/Blood elves - plus the night elf druids have functional need of the void elves for the Nightmare and the void elves could really use the night elven priesthood of Elune for the void powers.
Night elves also have experience with the Void in both the Priesthood of Elune, Night Warrior and Pain Mistresses portion and via the Shen’dralar too whose void knowledge Wrathion was trying to access in from the ruins they are trying to reclaim when he was searching for a weapon against N’Zoth, and he found his clue from the stuff they left behind - how much more info would they have - they’d be quite keen on working with them.
Bottom line is though, Night elves don’t seem to have any real friends, and void elves don’t either. The high elf side of the void elves works well with humans, but the void elf side? This should work well with the Night elves..
Exactly. Seriously if I were a Void elf, I’d be really interested in the Night elves, and the knowledge they hold that could help.
If I were a night elf druid, I’d be keen to run the Nightmare problem via the void elves and as a void elf I’d be keen to explore this area too, trying to help out as part of the racial aim is to defend Azeroth form the void threat, as well as study the effects of void magic on life and other magical power - it ticks all the boxes. It also opens the door to lead to void elf druids, which would be good for the Alliance to finally have same number of druids as the horde, given Druidism is originally an elven thing, not to mention it would be good for more elf races to get it, void elves helping the druids would learn druidism from them too.
Exactly.. even the name “Night” elves, shadowy elves they were called remember? Also they are elves fixated on the stars and the cosmos. The Moon, the stars and the Night have been their 3 main things - it has been weird the overly focus on druidism amongst the night elves in wow.. but WC3 and the War of the Ancients had a lot more about the Order of Elune, the magical mastery of the night elves and their incredible civilization - are also parts of the Night elves - of which the Nightborne civilization is faction of.
Let’s not forget the night elves are the authors ofthat civilization too and it had heavy focus on the stars and the cosmos too, this is why Star Augur Erraeus and the Starmancers, Astromancers who also use lunar and stellar arcane spells in the Nighthold are there.. it’s part of the kaldorei civilziation.
It is ingrained in their culture - they are the children of the stars..and people forget hte Darnassians were living in the long Vigil without arcane magic not because they don’t know it or don’t like it, but in order to prevent hte Legion from returning, this meant that everyone in their faction had to live on the down low without technology, but not everyone is a druid, now arcane usage can return, we actually saw many with arcane talents rejoin the Shen’dralar, the Shen’dralar also allied with the Darnassians and they provide hte mages who they recruit from those talented in arcane amongst the Darnassians.
There is more tot he night elves than the druidic portion of them, and blizzard really should be showing much more of the Order of Elune, the Temples, the night elf culture and civilization - not just the druidic one. And all of this actually is highly compatible with the void elves
look at Cosmic Void. This kind of energy screams Elune to me even more than Arcane
Murals in the cathedral in eternal night show figures of kaldorei female fighting what looks like a Void dragon, so in the past their order fought the threat of the Void.
what do you mean here?
They might not be accepted by the entire society, but I can see how they could create great relations with DH, DK and darkfallen Kaldorei. Elune Priestesses could open up to them with a bit of caution. Their primary goal, and one of the druids, is to maintaining balance of the world. It’s a huge part of their ideology and the balance IS Elune. If you’re looking for a middle ground between Light and Void, no one fits there better than Goddess of dark sky but also Light inside the void of the night.
Druids based mostly on Nightmare Energy would be dope.
I always imagined that the Void Elves, Draenei, and Kaldorei would form a Council of Balance or something. It’d be like The Ones from Star Wars. The Draenei would be on the side of light, the VE on the side of darkness, and the Night Elves would be in the middle, keeping the balance between. And together they try to find the truths of the universe
These are mentioned in the War of the Ancients trilogy. They are a punitive wing of the Order of Elune who were using shadow/void magic for punishment and disciplining first book O believe, in Suramar
This magic I think is what is associated with the night. In Legion expansion, the Wardens who are a branch of the Order , we see Cordanna and Maiev wardens mentioning the night to shroud them in darkness and the light illuminate their foes.
It’s kinda sad blizzard seem to have forget they made night elves well actually NIGHT elves and shadowy, and also made them based on the stars and amhave that star theme and magic associated with the arcane and Elune.
In fact we only see them in forest capacity which is weird. It was cool when it was just a part of their gig. But it became quickly Monotonous and boring when they showed nothing else. Especially with exciting themes like the stars, Elune, nightbcivilization etc.
It does. Their themes go quite well together. Arcane and stellar, arcane and cosmic. It leans heavily into the night elf priesthood and the night elven arcane mastery which is not exclusive to Highborne , but part of all night elves, as is the nature live. People forget that all night elves were birthed from the arcane and thus their descendant high elves, not just the Highborne caste. They also completely forget all night elves wielded the arcane too, though not all to the degree the no go elf empire qualified as mage, the Highborne are just the most talented.
The entire culture, priesthood and arcane users have a heavy cosmos influence - Elune so the Moongoddess and the night elves consider themselves stars in the night sky, her children , of which the living ones are children of. Also the influence is seen in the Druids.
It’s not as if the Druids are arcane haters or cut off from the arcane either. They forget they only banned sorcery from the well and only to prevent the Legion returning. Malfurion never shown to hate arcane magic or despise the arcane, what he did oppose back then in Suramar was the lack of reverence for nature and how society had lost its way caring more for things than principles that brought harmony - which the addiction influence had diminished in what he knew were a benevolent people.
Druids also use arcane magic in their spells, they are about the balance between nature and arcane, the elven ones anyway, not about the omission of the arcane. It is clear that the Warcraft Druid fantasy is also unique. For starters Druids are elven and not human, also it’s not just nature magic of trees and flowers, it’s shapeshifting and arcane - no one asks why it is arcane also? They just assume it’s a mistake for game mechanics.
But they ignore night elf lore, it’s as if they think the wya the night elves were made, and their arcane affinity and the first 5,000 years of arcane mastery mean absolutely nothing and have no impact on them, rather than the evidence in the priests and druids and even hunters that clearly show it ingrained in them.
And the lore is all there, the Well of Eternity, the great civilziaiton, of which Suramar is just one of the cities and the Nightborne a product of that that players can see, the Moonwells adnt he vast array of ruins that testify to thes cope they achieved.
Players ignore that b ecause it’s not infront of them and they just fail to consider all these clues. Why is night elven purple skin tones the colour of arcane? Why are their eye glows , the most prevalent silver and blue the colour of the arcane. Why are the majority common hair colours blue, purple, silver - arcane colours in addition to green, brown - nature colours.
It’s been there , right infornt of our eyes, but too many could not see past the trees and the amazing cool looking druids - so they ignored the rest, also never bothered with the detail of the lore, whose simple sentences set the tone.
Yeh, I saw those, really cool, it’s such a nice refreshing side of the NElves, which you wonder why they don’t show more. TBH, Suramar was not enough - you have vast lands and zones of ruined cities and forests, ruined temples, it’s kind niceif they had one or two in their original state showing some of these things properly.
THey need to lean into the fantasy more - the Elune, cosmos, star and moon arcane side too and compliment it with the void elves. AT last spend sometime on it, the druids aren’t going anywhere and we’ve had more than enough on them its become boring now.
So dope - agreed, I mean, I’m surpirsed they haven’t done it yet.. its ‘oke waiting to be done - besides on the horde side, we do have 1 more druid race than on the alliance - and void elves are the best Alliance-only candidates to be druids next to even the numbers - given they are elven and could be great friends with the night elves, their botanists should help out the NElf druids who could train them up further.
Tbh, I’d like to see Nightborne druids too, but if that happens we would need 2 Alliance race ones, my vote would go to Void elves - because of the elven connection, and Draenei who also had friendship with the Night elves and showed they did care for nature in thier starting quests.
He’d probably go on about Alliance race characters being used and Alliance themes, etc whilst completely ignoring their appearance never has anything to do with the Alliance, and it’s Alliance stuff used to fuel a horde centred story.
Even the “we have more leaders dying” argument fails to realise the Horde is the centre of the narrative, and the Alliance often side characters.
It’s Alliance stuff they bring to the horde,.
the major characters often working with or for the horde, humans (undead ones) going over horde, Blood elves going over horde, arcane magic which was an alliance main thing going over horde, druidism is now more prevalent on the horde than on the alliance and it was an exclusive elven thing up till classic. Nightborne, the night elf sub-race went horde with Suramar, the origin city of the Night elf faction on the Alliance also going horde
Alliance cities or would be cities keep going neutral -
Shattrath in TBC, Dalaran in WotLK, not to mention Silvermoon becoming horde - so that crossed over. Suramar also went horde with the Nightborne - didn’t see a city coming to the Alliance with the void elves
Only Alliance cities get destroyed too: Stormwind in WC1, Dalaran, Lordaeron and Silvermoon in WC3, Theramore in MoP, Darnassus in BFA
But he would moan about Alliance, because Khadgar, Malfurion, Anduin or Alleria show up as main characters in the narrative doing hardly anything concerning with the Alliance there. But ignores Thrall - EARTH ASPECT, Garrosh the all consuming, Sylvanas who between she and Garrosh dominated the Cata, WoD, MoP, BFA and SL main storylines - Jaina was a side character. Tyrande was also a side quest character too that stars in one cinematic [albeit a cool one]
Totally not seeing the traffic is one way - Alliance going to horde. Elves went to the horde from the Alliance, And Dwarves joined them too via the Earthen.
On the horde you have humans (forsaken - Lightforged and undead), Elves, Dwarves as well as Orcs, Trolls, Tauren and Goblin - you have Super advanced cities like Silvermoon and Suramar who really are the original homes of night elves and high elves on the Alliance, netting the Kaldorei empire (via Suramar), the Troll empire (via Zuldazar) and the High elf Kingdom (via Silvermon and the Kingdom of Lordaeron (via the Forsaken) - apart from the Troll empire - all those came from the Alliance.
And he has the nerve to think that the Horde aren’t favoured?
Look at the attention to detail on the horde? Look at all the Nightborne/Blood elf love - where have we seen Night elf/void elf interaction when they got so much going for them? What happened to Draenei/Night elf? I notice Alliance races only serve as placeholders for random human npcs, so it looks like more than humans are involved, but they really do little to nothing and when they do it’s as if the other alliance races don’t exist for them, just humans - THIS IS EVIDENCE OF LACK OF ATTENTION TO DETAIL - i.e. THEY DON’T CARE ENOUGH ABOUT THE ALLIANCE TO DO IT RIGHT.
LOOK AT THE ABOVE POST ABOUT NIGHT ELVES?
If they cared, long since would we have seen far more of the Priesthood of Elune, the actual star culture of hte night elves, we’d have seen them gather themselves together a lot more after Wc3, restoring themselves, and seen their diversity.. what did they do? Just largely showed druids and trees and then forgot about them - sure they brought mages back and did Legion - but what happened to Farondis and the Highborne of Azsuna? or the Moonguard in Suramar? or the Ravencrests in Blackrook Hold? Or the Val’sharan’s who helped Thalyssra and their nightborne kin?What happened to Farondis? What happened ot the Darnasisans reconnecting with their families in Suramar? Where is that attention to detail?
It’s been 5 expansion since Legion, yet look how often they touch up on Thalyssra and Lor’themar the Nightborne and Blood elves, but for the night elves? 3/4 of their content and lore just left by the wayside.
if it was Blood elves Orcs, Trolls or Humans, you’d have seen them show all those lovely lore nuggets and EREVIEN knows this - when you go to Silvermoon in Midnight -watch the attention to detail the blood elves got.. and ask yourself why didn’t the Darnassians get that level of detail against the Legion their arch nemesis, to the extent that no night elf force was present after 7.1 - and the Legion is their main enemy - you mean just a nightmare for Malfurion and he does nothing against the Legion? Tyrande’s Cathedral of her goddess returns and they couldn’t even bother to have her play a role their after writing that she left her husband to prioritise the lands and temples of her goddess –
Yes I know they cut Tyrande’s story arc in Legion, to make room for more of the Order Halls and Legion involvement, but so intrinsic was the story setting to the kaldorei, they’ should have at least done short summary - but did they? no.
But they would for blood elves in Midnight - why? Cos they care a lot more. they’ve subsconsiously bene so predisposed to the horde, they automatically show much more attention to detail.
Why do you think the Horde got the NIGHTBORNE AND Suramar, while the Alliance only got the void elves ? If they cared, would they not have given the night elves their origin home city -knowing they were blowing up Darnassus in the pre-patch for BFA? How difficult was it to think that oh, we originally wrote the Arcan’dor to heal Thalyssra and the Nightfallen back to night elves, so now we are going to do sub-races, why don’t we make Elisande and her loyalists remain in the nightborne mutation and get expelled - just like the void elves - and go to the other faction without a city, just like the void elves. The Nightborne under Elisande can be met by Liadrin and be escorted to live in Silvermoon, while the Nightfallen, now night elves again, have their kin in Darnassus, like Tyrande, Maiev, JArod, Illidan, Malfurion return to the city when Darnassus is getting destroyed.
how much more equal would that have been? Horde got Nightborne, Alliance got void elves, but the Night elves having lost Darnasuss, got Suramar - an elven city, while the Horde, get Silvermoon the other elven city.
I mean it’s stuff like that, failure to get it, that show - you there is much greater concern towards the Horde than the Alliance.
Look at when Teldrassil got destroyed, they spent the first 3 weeks answering horde fan cries about making Sylvanas evil, the response to Alliance fans annoyed about scapegoating the Night elves again for yet another thumping and their 2nd genocide in the lore - was ignored till later, and when addressed - flimsy quick arc with Tyrande and some druids and sentinels - no demon hunters, no mages, no Moonguard or Highborne, no Well of Eternity powers, no Elune powers outside the Night Warrior - a quick arc, one Warfront experiment, and then cameo appearance in the SL pre-patch, and the tail end of the Arden Weald questlines where they totally forgot the nature maestro Malfurion.
And they did Amirdrassil, let’s given em credit for that.
But did the night elves look badass there? No, they were lame and ordinary. This was more a show of dragons who got their powers back, but did the night elves get Immortality back? Any special powers from Azeorth via Amirdrassil for them? No. Did they get a city to replace Darnassus? No, a settlement at the heart of Bel’ameth, can’t even call it a village. no powers. What about Suramar? What about the Well of Eternity? Dire Maul? Zin’Azshari? Moonwells? What about the Demon Hunters? The Shen’dralar? The Moonguard? Have you ever seen a Priestess of the Moon actually cast a spell or shoot an arrow? With the exception of Tyrande?
This is the level of detail - it’s much lower on the Alliance races than on the horde, and it is specific to those that are on the Alliance..
because when they were neutral - look how cool and how much attention the night elf demon hunters had, the Farondis had, the Nightborne and Suramar had, the Val’Sharah night elves - yes they were neutral, but when it was faction specific, look how lame Malfurion and Tyrande’s roles were, literally next to nothing. Khadgar did more on behalf of a neutral Dalaran, than the supposedly aligned Alliance Tyrande and Malfurion who, along with the Night elf faction from WC3, are intrinsically tied to the Burning Legion, or did we forget it was their race lore that introduced the LEgion and they are at the heart of the victory against them.
Why ignored? Because they were Alliance.
Would any one in their right mind, write the story of the War of the Ancients and go through the story of Wc3, and see the roles of the night elf faction that supposedly joined the Alliance, and then take us back to SURAMAR, Black Rook Hold - iconic places from the book and bring back the burning Legion, but that group in particular have little to no involvement in the main storyline against it?
Come on!
You bring Tyrande back for lame Darkshore warfront over a land that has no living elves left, so has no value to keep, to waste life on winning what was already lost - so a pyrrhic and pointless victory, but completely cut them out in Naz’jatar against Azshara -
Did they forget the entire War oft he Ancient Trilogy?
Zin’Azshari is the birth place of the night elf race, we go back there and you tell me that Genn Greymane, and Jaina, who was heavily involved in 8.1 (8.0 too) and supposedly injured as she was the final raid boss, are somehow a better fit there in Naz’jatar, where Azshara has beef with Tyrande and Malfurion and especially Prince Farondis - oh did they forget about him too, who’s story in Azsuna is entirely centred on her and the history of the Highborne’s rebellion?
Why bother write those books, create the lore, create stories like Farondis, if you’re just going to not care or ignore them? Please tell me how Lor’themar and Thalyssra are more relevant than Malfurion, Tyrande, Prince Farondis, Jarod , Maiev etc???
What about Mordant Evenshade, the Shen’dralar high Sorceror Archmage who they had written that in WotLk end, Azshara had been trying to get them on her side, but they rebuffed her, just like they did when they fought the Legion in WotA attack against their city - why couldn’t he have been there in Naz’jatar? And should it not have been him instead of Khadgar to decipher the ancient kaldorei magic message used by Thalyssra to call us to Suramar? or actually be the mage representative to meet the ELVEN demon hunters coming out the Warden Vault in the DH starting scenario?
THe list goes on - there is a distinct and persistent lack of care and attention to detail that is not mirrored on the horde. While I’m not saying the stuff on the horde is flawless, far from it, but the level of detail is worse on the Alliance, especially on the non-humans. Not to mention the second fiddle role they’ve played in the main narratives (as a faction) since TBC.
Erevien has NO LEG to stand on, NONE. he just has his echo chamber of horde fanatics denying reality, overly spoilt in the excessive attention blizzard has given them, that the minute they get less of it, they whine “alliance bias, blizzard hates us " - which is code word for please buff us even more and just completely ignore the alliance. /rolleyes
Now Belf Horde fans are crying on the forums, because the Alliance come to the aid of the blood elves.. yes for real, they’re annoyed because it’s not overwhelmingly 100% about the blood elves and the horde, completely ignoring that the Blood elves have much older and longer ties with the Alliance and that the Alliance is half of the player population, well a 3rd and intrinsically tied to their efforts with Midnight, not to mention the blood elf sub-races Void elf and High elf are on the Alliance, but that doesn’t stop them from being part of the blood elf storyline, so they can’t see that it’s about blood elves really, but what they don’t want is Alliance - because they have this massive faction ego thing. it’s quite disturbing and want everything to be about them all the time, so whine and moan hoping blizzard would change it, using their considerable numbers to pressure the community into seeing their warped sense of justice.
wait a sec, really? I haven’t read this book for ages and I don’t remember there being anything like that (I don’t have the original English version, maybe they changed something in the translation), can you tell me more about this section.
Wardens and their Vault are one of the best dungeons of the Legion, you can feel the darker side of kaldorei magic from them. Especially in contrast with the Cathedral of the Eternal Night and the tomb of Sargeras. What’s fascinating to me is that they use a lot of gold in their aesthetics. Not in the Light sense, but rather sun eclipse themed.
fun fact - Maiev was initially supposed to be a night warrior in BFA but the writers gave it to Tyranda due to the fact that they didn’t come up with anything for her after the burning of Teldrassil.
Kaldorei were supposed to be the opposite of the Forsaken in Alliance. A dark, mysterious race that chose alliance out of necessity. Unfortunately, over time, both races have lost much of their unique theme. The aesthetic of the priestesses of Elune was taken away from Nightborne when the themes of darkness were given to the Void elves. DK stole Forsakens death theme and then Blizz added Nightfallen to finish them off.
I’m always surprised that no mage has tried to negotiate with the Elves to open Hyjal for this class. After all, it is the closest thing to the original Well of eternity we have. Especially since the Legion is no longer a problem, the restrictions can be loosened a bit
The huge problem of the Alliance is that our content becoming more and more neutral, open for everybody, most vanila thing ever, which makes it feel less and less like Alliance. We are no longer our own faction, but a neutral tool. Both factions suffer, but if I must compare them, the Horde tastes bad, while the Alliance has no taste at all.
Alliance may stole Thalalsian elves 10 years ago, but since then the Horde stole the star aspect of the night elves, the dwarves and now in from of Haranir the forest aspect of the night elves.
The Horde can freely walk around Bel’ameth and Gilneas while we are banned from some part of Silvermoon in Midnight
Let’s not forget in 80% of the wow biggest advertising they used Horde. Coming Home cinematic. Midnight cinematic. Entire era of BFA/SL. Warlords trailer. We’ll be lucky if we see any humans in CGI. On the other hand, Alliance receives more ingame scenes and short stories, but sadly they are read by maybe 5% of players.
it cannot be denied that alliance characters are more often in the main story, where they are cursed to be blank neutral npcs.
I think we need to look at the heritage quests to see which race is really loved by blizz.
Forsaken orcs, blood elves and draenei got the most love.
Trolls, dwarves, humans, golbins were really good .
Gnomes, Tauren and night elves got mid story
The worst one have Worgens.
This is just my opinion, but I feel the writers had much more passion for the Horde races and understood what the race needed to build pride.
Why then we have so many Alliance characters in the main plot? I don’t know. Maybe the bigwigs form above ordered it. some important executive/writer/family member plays the alliance and demands this.maybe it’s because there are too few blue players and by this they want to encourage new players or most of players paly ALlaince, so they want to please the majority I don’t know.
I would like us to go back to the early wow/Bfa era. both factions have separate stories to come together in the endgame
THing is it’s been happening since Wow’s inception. They took humans first to the horde (as undead), then they took high/blood elves over (as blood elves), continued in Legion by taking Night elves over (as Nightborne). Void elves being playable is kinda seen as what is on the alliance rightfully being made available by a lot of their fans. Whether you agree or not.
The heavy arcane and civilization theme of the Alliance, and the Light was also now readily available on the horde. While warlocks did make it to the Alliance, they have almost no lore there, unlike the Shadow Council fortress that is warlock lore on the horde, The same can’t be said for when the Arcane went over.
Having human like models and pretty faces, pretty looks was also an alliance thing too, while the horde had more monstery appearances. Which some like, it’s a much smaller crowd than the “pretty” lovers
Every Alliance stuff taken over was taken over well and blown up to, and there was no traffic the other way around, which Alliance fans never wanted -
The problem is that this is the stuff that most players really like so if it was only on the Alliance, far fewer would play them. But then blizzard made the Alliance stuff they took to the horde more attractive than what they left on the Alliance, this enabled jealously and covetousness from Alliance fans, wanting the pretty stuff from races that were exclusively on them back and a jealous hoarding “don’t touch my stuff” it’s ours now from hardcore horde elf fans. Creating imbalance.
But only the Alliance stuff was shared, but that’s because this is the stuff most normies find attractive
Loss of core themes and lots of changes.
If they had probably made night elves a lot more attractive on the Alliance, both model wise and in their architecture - like Suramar being there, Alliance fans may not have been demanding high elves half as much
true, if you think about it, void elves are the new night elves. Elves use to share the same model, but wow demanded different silouhettes when they took blood elves over to the horde.
