Because if you arent fotm class or if you want dungeon other than SP/MGT no group finder however fancy looking will help you … rdf wouldnt magically fix everything but at least you had chance to get somewhere …
also we can have rdf and group finder at the same time … people wanted “retail finder” in tbc and blizz actually said ok, wait, and then put in the trash we have right now … they didnt even add that group finder into the game at start, there was delay because they said they will make it better for tbc … and then nothing …
Welcome to classic wotlk. There originally RDF actually was included (had they wanted to do a faithful and true recreation of it for those of us that wanted that).
Don’t like RDF and classic wotlk? Well then, I suppose you should stay in vanilla classic, where you do have your “classic spirit”.
To be honest all this shows is that they don’t have a clue about anything. All they actually had to do to make wotlk classic a succes was to release it as is. Without touching it at all. That was the most popular expansion in wow history.
Hey, I got news for you. If you don’t like wotlk classic as it was, there is vanilla classic for you to play.
This is precisely what I am thinking. I’m not gonna bother with dungeons any more than absolutely necessary (for quests and the daily).
It simply is not worth the time and hassle, regardless if I try to find a group or doing my own group.
First: Pretty sure that this “new” LFG tool does nothing at all to solve that “issue” of yours. Only diff is that they’ll need to spend time to fly from Org to the dungeon once they find a group (if they do find one).
Secondly: “Creating meaningful interactions with others”. “the current system forces people to communicate”???
What about todays groupforming is in your opinion so meaningful and how much really important/vital/meaningful communication is there in all honesty during todays groupforming? Here’s the short and simple answer for you: None at all.
This is something i definitly want implemented. Make it happen Blizzard. No more automated BG queues!!
Sure you could, you’re absolutely right that no one is entitled to join any group they’d like. BUT here’s the thing. It will only help so much. Alot of the people that gatekeep you from joining their group is the kind of people that would just leave the group you just invited them to as soon as they see something they don’t like about you, like your low gear for example.
LOL are you even aware that wotlk classic will start with patch 3.3.0 at launch?
Despite that, I and most of the pro-RDF folks would be perfectly fine with it being implemented at p2 or p3 (depending on how long the phases turn out to be).
If that is your only argument to not have RDF your in luck. Blizzard is getting rid of boosting (see the blue post regarding that topic).
Are you aware at what patch wotlk classic will start at launch smartypants?
I beg to differ. They have zero respect for the integrity of wotlk classic…
Its stopping players that play dps classes that have barely enough gear for the content or non meta specs. These players are unlikely to ever find a group in a reasonable time. RDF would change that, because it doesnt discriminate in terms of gear and spec and every role queuing solo has the same average waiting time.
These players can create their own groups, but that is their only option, because the Group Finder doesnt help them finding a group, although that is what the tool should be able to.
#backdungeonfinder Blizzard dont be stupid. Classic need crossrealm in dungeons! If you dont give us old dungeon finder, then all players play on one server again!
you have data for this? I only know that WotLK succeded and LFD was part of WotLK… you are trying to “guess” that WotLK would be more successful if there wasnt LFD? That would be totally anecdotal and with zero data
If new LFG tool will support optional RDF like automatic search, fine by me. But I like what developers are trying to do to improve LFG and how that will help me to form my dungeon and other groups in WotLK.
Biggest issue with classic is the inconsistency by Blizzard. Refusing to add dungeon finder but then adding retail stuf that have no place in classic (boosts, xp buff event, all the woke changes, …). Either keep it as it was or make polls and let the community decide what to change/add like in OSRS. Blizzard is just too incompetent these days to decide for themselves.
In the end nobody knows why people played WotLK. Everybody will have had their in own reasons. But the population increased in the second half of WotLK, after the RDF was released.
I can’t post links here, but it’s easy to find if you type “wow player count all time” into Google.
For me the RDF was a game changer and I loved it. Prior to the RDF running dungeons was a chore to me, but with the RDF it really started to be fun.
But…but…cross-realm destroys social aspect of the game.
Sarcasm aside, if they don’t want Firemaw shtshw repeating on Gehennas and Earthshaker, while leaving all other realms to slowly rot and die mid-expansion, they should definitely start thinking about cross-realm play options.
This is anecdotal, but Star Wars: The Old Republic did not have cross-server battlegrounds and it had an enormous impact on the social aspect of the pvp. Even so, people were crying for cross-server in order to speed queues up. Cross-servers would have decimated that social climate, but queues would no doubt have been faster. Is it a trade-off that’s worth doing?
That question is likely at the heart of the Dungeon Finder in Classic. People use hyperbolic language to suggest that introducing the Dungeon Finder will have no impact on the social climate whatsoever. I have always believed the Dungeon Finder to be the most damaging innovation they’ve ever introduced to the game as it (to this day) ruined what had been a fun aspect of the game. They later fixed this with Mythic dungeons, and recruitment for Mythic dungeons is very reminiscent of how things were before the Dungeon Finder. Why? Why not have it automated instead?
The answer, I think, is because it would not have worked. The Dungeon Finder did not only bring with it an automated grouping process, it also brought the casualisation of 5man instances. A group of 5 complete strangers with different levels of gear and skill would have to be able to beat the dungeon without using any form of strategy. It’s meaningless content, in my view.
And I don’t like to use this as an argument because in most cases I think it’s silly, but if your problem is that you do not have time to play classic… then play retail. Retail is designed in such a way that people who live busy lives can still log in and do things and get rewards. Classic is slower. I’d prefer to see it remain that way.
Maybe you should not be playing Classic Wotlk then. Since it was implemented, we simply just want the experience promised to us…
Right now the Private Servers will prevail, because Blizzard can’t just commit…
I appreciate the effort to find a way that suits most people. Thank you for that! I am happy with the solution for WOTLK dungeons, especially for the first few months. I don’t know how I like it after the first few months after people are doing less dungeons but I am willing to try. My only concern with this system is the following. How is this going to work out for Classic and TBC dungeons, my feeling says that the teleporting to dungeons and just the overall ease of use of the old LFD system would make it so people would do more old dungeons then if they have to run everywhere. For me the old dungeons are a fun alternative to questing, but at the moment I find it very hard to find dungeon groups because people are simply not doing them enough.
Please don’t do this. All this will result in is a bunch of people using “LFG” instead, so now you have 2 channels instead of one, making it harder to find people.
I’ve observed that group finding is a social coordination problem, and there’s value in funneling everyone through the same channel. We need a single channel, not two separate channels.
Have you even played classic until now? How do you think people managed to find groups before? It’s a complete overexaggeration. Group finder will just make it easier than it has been, and the wotlk meta will also cause people to not be as keen on inviting the best spec as in tbc.
Keep in mind, you are not pushing mythic +20 keys, you are doing a very easy leveling wotlk dungeon. Most people will just be fine. Maybe some, who play a meme/pvp spec while wearing boosted greens, will have to make their own group.
If you are worried about getting gatekept of spamming dungeons during the leveling race at the start: If you are queueing RDF with green gear and doing half the damage of the tank in the first day of wotlk, alot of people are gonna votekick you anyway, just like boosted people got kicked in TBC at the start from Ramparts groups, because with them in the group, it would have been faster to solo quest.
Oh sweet summer child, you’ve yet to learn, that the classic community is just a mob with torches and pitchforks. They will find their scapegoats.
You assume the community has rational reasons for who they bring to the dungeon and who they don’t. But nothing is further from the truth.
If you happen to be the next “bad” class, they will rather search 30 min longer to run with a meta class in greens, than with a bad class in T7 BiS.
The RDF would at least give the unpopular classes a chance to prove themselves in dungeons. I would have killed for this in TBC Classic.
It’s a complete overexaggeration. Group finder will just make it easier than it has been, and the wotlk meta will also cause people to not be as keen on inviting the best spec as in tbc.