Is this projection?
No such thing happened.
Fantastic advice for all of us. Start with yourself. Good day sir. I wonāt be continuing this topic with you.
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Youāre really intent on proving my point, arenāt you? Itās a shame, truly.
Might be better for me, sure. I donāt think I prefer it, though.
So still ā¦ a real shame.
Yeah, AI can be helpful sometimes. Tho I got a bit different answer as you did regarding their culture.
Short answer:
Yes, High Elves and Blood Elves share the same cultural roots, but after the Third War, their philosophies, loyalties, and lifestyles diverged ā not their fundamental culture.
Letās break this down clearly and precisely:
1. Shared Origin = Shared Culture
Both High Elves (Quelādorei) and Blood Elves (Sinādorei) come from the same civilization ā the Highborne exiles from Kalimdor who founded QuelāThalas around 7,000 years before WoW.
That means they share:
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The Thalassian language
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The same architecture (Silvermoon style, spires, runestones)
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The same arcane traditions (Sunwell-based magical society)
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The same nobility and hierarchy structure (houses, magisters, rangers)
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And the same sense of pride and refinement that defines Thalassian elves
So culturally and racially, theyāre one people ā just like two branches of the same family.
2. The Split Was Political and Philosophical, Not Cultural
The real divide happened after the Scourge destroyed QuelāThalas in the Third War (WC3).
Hereās what split them:
| Issue | Blood Elves (Sinādorei) | High Elves (Quelādorei) |
|---|---|---|
| Response to Sunwellās Destruction | Embraced alternative magical sources (including fel) to survive | Rejected fel use, wanted to stay āpureā |
| Faction Alignment | Joined the Horde (Kaelāthas ā later Lorāthemar) | Stayed with the Alliance (e.g. Silver Covenant) |
| Ideology | Pragmatic, survival-driven, willing to bend moral lines | Traditionalist, idealistic, clinging to old values |
| Attitude Toward Humans | Bitter ā felt abandoned in the Third War | Loyal ā many still live in Dalaran with humans |
But ā they didnāt suddenly develop different cultures.
They still speak Thalassian, use the same magic schools, wear the same styles, and follow the same general customs. The difference is in ethics and politics, not culture.
3. The Blood Elves Became More Pragmatic, the High Elves Stayed Conservative
Think of it like this:
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Blood Elves evolved ā they adapted their traditions to survive after massive trauma. They integrated fel energy, later the Light, and opened to new allies like the Forsaken and Tauren.
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High Elves froze in time ā they kept the pre-Third War mentality, clinging to the āold waysā of QuelāThalas before it fell.
So when people say āHigh Elves preserved the old cultureā, theyāre technically right ā but that āold cultureā is the same one Blood Elves evolved from.
Itās not a different culture; itās an older snapshot of the same one.
4. In-Game Representation Shows the Parallels
When you visit:
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Silvermoon City (Blood Elves) ā classic Thalassian architecture, arcane academies, runestones, etc.
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Silver Covenant (High Elves) in Dalaran ā same look, same robes, same speech patterns, same magical tradition.
They even use the same voice lines and accents ā the only difference is allegiance and ideology.
5. Blizzardās Official Position
Blizzard devs have confirmed several times that:
āThe Blood Elves are the High Elves ā just under a new name. The few who still call themselves High Elves have not diverged racially or culturally in any meaningful way.ā
They share ancestry, society, art, and language ā the difference is political and moral, not civilizational.
TL;DR Summary
| Aspect | Blood Elves | High Elves |
|---|---|---|
| Race | Thalassian Elf | Thalassian Elf |
| Language | Thalassian | Thalassian |
| Architecture | Thalassian (Arcane) | Thalassian (Arcane) |
| Culture | Evolved QuelāThalas traditions | Preserved QuelāThalas traditions |
| Faction | Horde | Alliance |
| Key Difference | Adapted to survive, pragmatic | Clung to ideals, conservative |
So yes ā culturally, theyāre the same people, just politically divided and philosophically opposed.
It depends also on the question you ask, mine was simply this:
āDo high elves have a different culture from blood elves?ā
It wasnāt guided, it was a plain and simple question that could have been answered with yes or no.
I suggest for you to ask for itās sources that it used to come to itās conclusion.
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Using AI is a terrible idea. It just tells you what you want to hear and is full of inaccuracies.
Considering both AI responses copied the common āBlood Elves used Fel to sustain themselvesā I wouldnāt be surprised. It also tends to gather data from all the sources including hundreds of similar topics.
Also something I like to touch upon by the AI responses:
Meaning Blizzard can change their mind whenever they want, however they want. Invalidating anything we bring to debate in essence from both sides.
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And the answer is yes. Simple as.
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Those ais have a certain bias to agree to whatever making them unreliable, even when asked for citations.
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As said, it can be helpful at some times, but rellying on AI as a source or 100% secure information is not the way.
Posting the AI answer - I just wanted to prove, that AI will ātailorāthe answer as you wish.
I put simple question āDo High Elves and Blood Elves have different culture?ā
And then I copied the answer here.
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What is an allied race?
Allied races are, from a design point of view, alternate versions of the main races.
They mostly use the skeleton of an existing race but altered and with a different model.
They also have their own racial abilities. Allied races get a full character kit including their own emotes, flirts, funnies, exertions, and so on. All current allied races are variants of a previously playable race, with the exception of vulpera, which are only goblins in build.
From the wiki.
Are HE an alternate version of the Blood Elves?
Yes. They have a different culture, different political views, different allegiance.
They do use the same skeleton and same model, but it does not invalidate them as a choice because Tauren, Dranei, Dwarves, Orcs etc. These have some cosmetic changes that under the armor can barely be noticed.
Racial; easily done, there are countless examples of racials that could be used. A non issue.
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High elf thread
look inside
fantasy racism
never change
Your primary source seems to hinge on statements from a 2008 book night of the dragon, released 5 days after wotlk and meant to bridge the gap leading to wrath while filling some stuff from other books.
Ironic that those high elf statements in it would be contradicted by the game itself. Prior to its own release.
So safe to say those statements are deprecated.
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Ficticious Political factionism is not racism.
Ignores the dozens of replies deprecating HE fans.
Never change.
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why you here?
its a public forum thread and i like watching the circus when itās in town
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So far, I only see a random clown with no meaning
its ok, if you post 3 more increasingly violent manifestos about high elves im sure blizzard will listen.
Here, you can have this one courtesy of the same brand of idiot in AD.
Last time I wrote into this forum was in Bfa prepatch, and I frankly had no intention to ever again. Coming on the heels of the highs of Legion, the prepatch presented baffling story and lore choices, coupled with absolutely nonsensical battle sequences which Dumb and Dumber of Game of Thrones S8 would have been proud of. That hasnt changed since.
What did was the proverbial last straw against a people deliberately forgotten and ignored. Much like their playerbase. Both about amounting to 1%, fighting for the soul and destroyed lore of this game. Their numbers about as high or higher than random vulpera tribes, a tribe of tauren, survivors of thoroughly, twice-invaded Quelāthalas, a small shipās worth of lightforged draenei, (whose spaceship was conveniently forgotten in bfa), a small sect of blood/void elves, a trashed cityās worth of mechagnomes, some forgotten Deathwing experiments, dark rangersā¦
Now there isnāt a single gosh darn peep about these people, the original residents of Suramar, they are only noted via their absence. They are graciously allowed back into the city of their allies, after years, but only into a small section of it. Its about as big of a spit in the face and middle finger as the pure existence of void elves.
You can play a high elf, as long as you succumb either to the Void or the Fel. You can play as a high elf, as long as you join the very people whom they warred with for thousands of years and who destroyed their kingdom in the first place.
There is no reason, no justification for Quelāthalas ever joining the Horde. There never was, there never will be. And since then, there were numerous opportunities when they should have left. Wrathgate, the destruction of Gilneas, Garroshās crusade, the elf reunification at Suramar, Sylvanasā war on life itself in Bfa. Im sure there are even more, but everyone should remember these events.
And if one of you dimwits even mentions Garithos, he was controlled by a Dreadlord. Detheroc, whom Sylvanas slain using Varimathras. The whole Alliance (which Stormwind had nothing to do with) hatred against blood elves is artificial and was nothing but a demonic plot to weaken the Alliance and slaughter the people most likely to unmask the deception.
Last time high elves were even relevant was back in Pandaria, when they were involved in one of the most lore butchering plot of all of WoW, destroying not just Jainaās character, but theirs as well. A people with thousands of years of history and wisdom would NOT blatantly attack and mercilessly slaughter their OWN kin for factions younger than their children.
Since then, despite Sylvanas being a poster girl from Legion to SL, then Alleria taking her place, we have not seen ONCE Vereesa Windrunner in the game. Her children with Rhonin, another beloved book character ruthlessly sacrificed for shock value, are now young adults. They have a place in Midnight just as much as Arator and Alleria.
The night elvesā mistreatment mirrors that of their kin. The ancient and proud night elves, twice-defeaters of the Burning Legion, were repeatedly used as a punching bag against Thrallās Horde, something Thrall would not have allowed in the first place, unless the elves were the aggressors. Which they were not. Then Garrosh and Sylvanas did more of the same, and besides a fleeting, small victory upon Darkshore, we have not seen the teeth of night elves since Warcraft3.
Consider this. Night elves aided the draenei, a people whose very resemblance was that of the same to Archimonde, the man responsible for the latest demonic invasion. And the draenei openly do use arcane besides the Light, yet nelves were like ācool broā.
But they had the capacity to actively spy and sabotage belves who werent sided with Kael back at home, mayhaps fearing they would one day (their tactics might as well have caused it, in reality.)
Then they were the FIRST, EN MASSE, to help worgen in Cataclysm. Not Quelthalas, not Kul Tiras, not Dalaran, which could have just teleported there, not Stormwind, they got there first from KALIMDOR. Whilst in reality, again, Quelthalas should have done something. If not cuz its humans, its cuz Sylvanas used such abhorrent tactics even Garrosh was like āNot cool, B.ā
(Btw remember that mild cussing that was removed a DECADE after being uttered by Fantasy Austrian Painter n1 to Fantasy Austrian Painter n2 lest it might offend someone today? Its not like anyone is leveling via questing these days anyway. And it was well deserved. Not mild would have been Garrosh getting out his axe and trying to chop off Sylvanasā head himselfā¦ something that wouldnt have been out of character for him either.)
Lets go back to that slap in the face in Legion.
The whole void elf origin was nonsense and redundant on top of an already redundant allied race. We got Alleria, then we have a WHOLE different origin for void elves. Never will be not idiotic.
The magically addicted people, the blood elves, didnt ban Fel, the power of the Legion, responsible for the most destruction on Azeroth and in the cosmos. In which they DO represent DESTRUCTION itself. Didnt ban Death, allied Forsaken and Lorāthemar personally licked Sylvanasā boots even in early bfa. Death knights allowed, Sanlayn were allies to Horde in Bfa. (Are they still? We havent seen them since either, did we?) But Void? Nah, F the Void. Exile those guys in particular.
And now in this expansion, its
D&D āWe kinda forgot about high elves.ā
If they intentionally did this however, it confirms they either believe high elves as a faction dead (which would be a first lmao), and/or truly claim all of the remaining high elves went back to Quelthalas toā¦ serve the Horde. Something, which they would never do, hence why they left in the first place.
In the world where no faction can remain dead, by the way. Scarlet Crusade brought back from the dead after Wotlk. Whitemane literally dug up to be a Rider of the Apocalypse. Defias Brotherhood still alive, despite NEITHER VanCleefs are in charge. Druids of the Flame still alive after Cata to DF. These are one-note bad guys that were wiped out and should have stayed dead ages ago.
Now Zulāaman gets destroyed, but we already have forest troll concept art for a likely upcoming allied race. YET NO HIGH ELVES, their ancestral enemies. Now this is another blatant Horde favouritism moment if I ever seen one.
But no, these tribes and factions get to live, whilst one of the oldest people in the whole of Azeroth are now apparently considered dead.
Imagine if every single tribe on Earth still lived. Imagine Carthage still being around and would wage war upon Rome TODAY. Imagine if every single chinese dynasty was still alive and fighting civil wars. Imagine if every NA/SA american indian tribe was still alive cuz they somehow magically always respawn.
History just doesnt work like that, but Blizz are muricans who have no history nor concept of it. Want to kill the high elves? Cool. Dew it. Kill the other 100 factions too, which should already be dissolved by now, including the Forsaken. (Is the Shattered Sun Offensive still a thing, by the way? Argent Dawn? The Avengers of Hyjal?)
At this point it is a cultural thing to hate the elves. In real life. And yes, Blizz numbers make even less sense than Warhammer numbers, where every faction can always pull whole armies no matter what from their behinds.
What Blizzard has been doing is nothing sort of atrocious with high elves and elves as a whole. First, it was Metzen and his Orc squad who continuously either ignored them or made them lose every time they appeared. They were destroyers of civilizations, the barbarians against Rome. Only capable of enjoying mindless brutes and favouring them over wise ancients. Kael betrayed everything he ever stood for, the Nagas remained unredeemable villains, Silvermoon couldnāt even defend itself without the aid of Sylvanas, the night elves as a whole faction was ridiculed over and over again.
Then came new Blizzard and their unholy crusade on beauty and traditional values. The High Elves represent beauty, wisdom and tradition in their purest forms. Thus, they are considered enemies to be utterly destroyed by the current regime. Its nothing sort of factual, actual racism. Committed by real people against imaginary ones. On the grounds of very real hatred and jealousy. A thorough farce indeed.
At least now I know why Metzen really came back. Just to take a dump on high elves one last time, for old timeās sake.
Lets see if they can tiptoe around the āhigh elf questionā until the expansion comes outā¦ and then we can be disappointed again.
Please name the ways the Culture of High Elves differs from that of the Blood Elves. No really Iāll wait.
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