I was just inspired by a comment in another thread for this, but how come we all just completely forgot and ignore the fact that we are the leading figures of some very important/powerful organizations?
How come the Silver Hand and the Uncrowned and the Earthen Ring etc don’t give a damn about any world ending threats after Legion?
The plot point in BFA prepatch that we sacrificed the power of the Artifacts to stop the corruption caused by the Sword of Sargeras was just a lazy excuse to back up the fact that we would throw away the Ashbringer for some random broom in Drustvar, but we are still the leaders of those factions.
Class Hall hubs and campaigns were arguably the best part of Legion, and they tried to replicate that with Covenants in SL but that didn’t work because those are nowhere near as interesting.
A faction such as the freaking Silver Hand should always be around defending Azeroth, but we forgot we lead them, we forgot they exist, and they are just chilling in the Plaguelands now. The fact that we saw the guy from the Holy pala artifact questline doesn’t mean much.
Bring back Class Halls, we never should have ditched them.
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Thanks for the topic.
For the sake of the game’s healthy, we should return that kind of humble content rather than cosmic pew pew space wars, adventures with robots in the afterlife or civil war on the dragon isles.
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Felt like they wrote it as if we were giving up our position / title when we sacrificed the power in our artifacts. But that was really badly done and made no sense. Also nothing after that quest reflected it either since we still have our titles and access to the Halls.
But stuff like this is a problem with them making us important only to reduce us back to adventurer whenever the story call for it. Also having the world be static and unchanging means they keep leaving things in their respective expansion instead of having the world grow and evolve with us.
We’ve helped so many factions over the years but all of them are stuck in the past and only a handful of characters are allowed to grow.
There hasnt been any threat where they deemed it would have been necessary. Potentially BFA but that was only minor skirmishes between the Horde and Alliance and Azshara as well as N’Zoth werent deemed too much of a threat.
Shadowlands they all were pretty much bound to inaction since only the player itself could traverse the maw at will. At best the Ebon Blade should have been presented in the Shadowlands given their source of power (and they were present. Even if they marched under Bolvar instead of the Death Lord).
Now in Dragonflight there isnt a major threat currently present since the Incarnates arent exactly high on the power scale so the class order leaders playing punching ball with some overgrown lizards is already overkilling it.
The players have absorbed the powers of the Artifacts. They arent required anymore. Especially for the Ashbringer its part of the weapons lore that both the weapon and its wielder become one entity (hence why Tirion and later the player were both named the ashbringer)
Besides not every Artifact Weapon was broken in the lore. The rogue assa and especially the sub artifact were relatively lackluster. Only the dreadblades had some noticeable power lorewise
Agreed. But the Order Halls wield too much power on their own. Especially with the player being its leader. The order halls are absolute powers on Azeroth that cannot be questioned by anyone and stand above all other factions on Azeroth.
Wouldnt work for the Rogue alone. Even without the Artifacts we were dubbed the most dangerous individual amongst the uncrowned and fighting us meant certain death (especially given certain lore like turning Deathwing into a pair of daggers).
Even without all the artifact power we players were already the strongest fighting force on the planet by a very large margin.
However Blizzard ignores a lot of established lore. Like after being hunted as a criminal in stormwind by Anduin the rogue player (especially an alliance one) should have flat out threatened Anduin with death should he ever try to pull such a stunt again.
If the Rogue was Horde this could have been seen as a declaration of war by the Alliance considering the player is a General of the Horde on the Horde side (and a general of the alliance on the alliance side). A similar case happened in BFA when you were thrown in jail by Jainas mother. The Alliance could have taken this as a declaration of war and leveled Boralus in its entirety given you were there as A: A General and B: A Diplomat. And lets not even start about them threatening Genn.
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100% this. I never understood why class halls were abandoned.
“but they were an expansion feature!!”. Yeah, so were pet battles, or Dragonflying.
They created the first class-based hub and questlines after they nuked our class quests from vanilla in cata, only to abandon them again.
Should be easy to phase them into a new expansion imo. No need for artifacts or the adventure table. Just story heavy quests.
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Well, idk about that, in 9.1 anyone could go anywhere
Well, I feel like the Earthen Ring is the ONE faction that SHOULD care about this. 
Precisely. Now I know that Danuser would have trouble writing those for every expansion but it makes no sense that these absolute powers would just stop defending the world because they are bored or sth.
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I dont remember that, then again I have not really finished the Rogue quests
BFA was a scuffed faction war expansion, and if stuff like this was taken seriously maybe the lore would have been halfway decent.
Doesn’t Van Cleef refer to rogue players as part of the Uncrowned leaders in DF?
But yes, it could do with some clarification or mentions ingame.
Well it makes sense if she does because that is what they are, but some random line in a quest does not make up for the fact that the most powerful forces on Azeroth are doing absolutely nothing and their leaders are just running around trying to save the world by themselves.
The problem is, it wasn’t just the artifacts that made the champion powerful.
The reason why the champion got the artifact was because they were powerful in the first place.
Why would you give a top tier weapon to a weakling? Just doesn’t make sense.
Van clear shows up in df?
Were we “employed” by them, or was it a temp gig to solve the problems at the time?
for same reason why we got Maghar orcs from alternate dimension and not from Outlands, Blizzard just forgot
Nah we just encountered them more recently and has more intresting characters which blizz killed
The Outland Mag’har orcs are part of the Orc heritage questline. They are also part of the Horde since TBC. A lot of them got slaughtered during the siege of Orgrimmar as they sided with Garrosh. They were also present during the beginning of Legion on the broken shore.
The Mag’har have a tendency to pick the wrong sides though as our mag’har first sided with garrosh and the AU ones sided with Sylvanas.
The next time they will play a bigger role will be during the light xpac since the horde is at war with the army of the light that yrel is part of because of the mag’har.
The cosmic stuff is unavoidable, it’s just nice to have a good balance between the universe-trotting and the Azeroth-based fantasy. It just needs to be well written and not some retroactive nonsense and grand design BS like SL was.
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I see. I also want to go to Proxima B and see what’s going on there. I am ready to sacrifice my life for this but where are the street lights on Stormwind then?
Well our Mag’har sided with one of their own. And AU ones… Well they currently didn’t have too many choices between: Convert to Light, die or join Sylvanas…
As for the Class Halls… I feel Blizzard has written themselves into the corner with those. They were ultimately organizations above factions. And the next expansion was (poorly written) faction war again.
