How do you break into m+ this late in the expansion?

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So the subject gives you an idea of the issue. Now whilst the solution seems on the surface quite straightforward, the reality has proven the oppsite.

A brief summary of my situation first, I have two level 60 characters. Now whilst neither yet have legendaries(still working on them), both are sufficiently geared and played to easily tackle the lowest levels of m+(2-4 for example). A Paladin with Tank/DPS specs and a Shaman with Healing/DPS. And yet, for two weeks now(this week being the third), I have been unable to get a single Mythic+ group and have only managed to even get a handful of Mythic 0 groups.

It seems, from my perspective, that because I have no Mythic+ or Raider io rating for this expansion(I left early on because I disliked the system design and only returned with 9.2), people instantly refuse me when I apply and never apply to my group when I list one of my own baby +2 Keystones. This is backed up by the fact that in the last three weeks I have applied on each character, to at least 10 m+ runs each day and spent 15mins each day with myself as Tank or Healer listing my own Keystone for a run with zero applicants(technically a few times I did get an applicant, they came into the group, waited a few minutes and when nobody else joined they left).

People will tell me, join a guild, get yourself on a ladder that way. I’ve tried that, admitedly only with “spam” recruiting guilds that approached me randomly(it’s hard to find a guild otherwise unless you’re a geared up raider hunting guilds on Wowprogress etc). Five guilds have been tried in the last 2.5 weeks, two claimed to be active and turned out to be graveyards outside of raid night, two had multiple m+ runs but despite claiming to be new player friendly the groups were fixed teams at high levels and the last… well lets just say they were obnoxious, toxic trolls mouthing in guild chat continuously and so I couldn’t get out of there fast enough.

Am I just extremely unlucky? Is there some trick to getting started this late in the expac that I’m missing? Or do I just have to keep applying to runs and hope someone eventually takes pity? Or keep guild hunting and hope to eventually find a guild that labels themselves honestly when they say friendly/welcoming/helpful etc?

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Do your own key. I went from 0 io score to 2700+ in 2-3 weeks.

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As mentioned in the post I have been trying that, but I don’t seem to manage to form a group. People just don’t seem to want to join.

I haven’t attempted to form my own group this week yet, because I didn’t manage to get a m+ last week I didn’t get one from the vault and I don’t actually have a keystone yet this week and I haven’t been able to get a mythic 0 to get a keystone.

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Well, all I can tell you is that making your own grp is the way to go. Make a m0 grp get a key and do it. Don’t be afraid to lower your key as long as you need gear from lower tier. Many people do it this way through pug. Tank would be the easier way to go for you as a pala. Gl mate. This can be done and it’s not that hard it just takes a little patience.

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I find it hard to believe you’re not getting invites even for low keys if you’re signing up as tank or healer.

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You can talk to npc near vault to get your weekly key!

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First of all, what character we talking about , what class and spec, role is most important tho .

If its about paladin u post from, well , u dont even have a single legendary ( or so it seems) even of low m+ i wouldnt stay in group with such dps, what for …

Its pretty much “required” to have double legos now , every other group will require full set sooner than later .

So for a starter , craft at least one lego, up your gear a bit in ZM/anima , buy one 262 from AH , this will bump your overal ilvl and also make you noticably stronger, and when someone inspects you they will see u put at least some effort into it .

As for not bein able to get into keys or form your own, i doubt that, even “worst” specs get slots in low m+ , even if they have to wait longer for it .

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This is very bad, and almost a ‘toxic’ reply and not in a way that you are insulting the OP or anything because you wrote everything respectfully, but just passing on this mentality is very bad and unhealthy for the community.

Mandatory legendaries for everything up to +10 is just a minmaxing farse from stuck up people. Hell, I even did alot of +12/+13s on alts in 9.1., where one could argue they were harder then now in 9.2., and I didn’t have a single legendary on any of them, and I was doing everything from tanking on blood DK / prot pala, healing on resto druid / resto shaman or DPSing on a frost mage. I performed just fine in all the scenarios, and I never got kicked / replaced after I was invited, let alone talked to due to lacking a legendary.

I know you put required in ‘’ but it’s far from that. I pugged KSM in the first 2 weeks (yes, pugged, didn’t do a single run with friends / guild or anything like that), and I got it before we got access to the belt of unity, let alone to the 291 legendary since most of people werent revered back then. Yet I perforemd just fine, and people did aswell without 4piece, double legendaries and with overall alot lower ilvl than we have now.

This mentality really has to stop as it’s so unhealthy for new players and for the existing ones aswell.

Agree with this. No idea why he isn’t getting invited. My guess is that he is signing abit too higher, and since M+ is quite in demand meaning alot of people sign up, he isn’t the one getting taken. Alot of people also already have KSM and are just doing these runs for fun on alts.

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  1. Get your base legendary. A low ilvl legendary is better than nothing, and base pieces start from a few hundred gold on AD, so there’s no excuse to not have one. (If you haven’t unlocked the Runecarver, get it done. it doesn’t take long.)
  2. Get your second legendary. The quest chain doesn’t take more than 2 - 3 hours, even without flying, and it gets you a free 265 waist.
  3. THIS WEEK, create ‘M0 for weekly’ groups - it’s the SL dungeons week where the weekly quest rewards a 265 raid piece. People aren’t going to care about your gear, ilvl or RIO score when they just want to get the weekly done.
  4. Pug LFR wings 1, 2 and 3 for a chance at tier pieces. (You can convert 3 items to tier this week, but that depends on having 3 items that qualify.)
  5. For guilds on AD, take a look at Moonfall. They’re a friendly bunch of people and good at helping characters get started. I have a friend there and do M+ occasionally with the GM.
  6. For communities, look for the Scared of Dungeons post in the community recruitment section (I bumped it a few days ago, so it should be near the top). There are always people running low keys there, and all 3 roles are in demand at various times. Note that SoD is a chill and welcoming place, not a push community.
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It is what it is , whole wow comunity is considered to be “toxic” , and however bad it sounds , if u play alone u have to adapt .

It all depends ,if others are fine with it then be it, u can do 15s with whatever gear u have pretty much.

On tank/ heal it doesnt matter , people are desperate and take whatever , no matter gear or leggo.

On my alt im getin invited to keys way higher to my ilvl juet because im tank.

But if u said u were performing just fine as dps without leggo compared to those who had it, u either played with bad players ( cuz its usualy quite a huge dps boost) or u get boosted/ people didnt care that u are doing less dps than them ( or than you should be)

Yea we didnt had double lego back then so people did not require it .

Like i said, u can do 15s just fine , but try puging it now , as a dps, without your main linked and let me know results .

It kinda works both ways , yes it is toxic to be so meta oriented ( be it spec or gear in that case) on keys that arent realy that high.

But then , to me it is toxic when whole group has double lego, enchants sockets and whatnot and someone doesnt and feel hurt if i dont inv him for that reason . I put in some effort and i kinda require that from others . People gotta respect others, not willing to carry someone just because he was lazy to do his ZM .

Yea no idea what the issue there, we need more info from OP on that , maybe he is joining some 10s for ez gear idk .

But then he said people arent joining his key either so who knows…

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from my research into this topic, blizzards solutions are these: Play the specs less people want to IE: Tanks, healer. or Reroll Rogue, Hunter or Lock cause you aint getting invited to anything otherwise

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this late? What are you talking about. It isn’t late. Each season we start fresh and i had a friend last season who started 2 months after me and got to level 20 faster than me. So it never is as late as it may look

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Its never to late. I came back 5 Weeks before 9.1.5. i had KSM in 2 id‘s and taking all Portals within this 5 weeks. Just play your own keys; as mentioned above you atleast need to play zm for the free leggy then you can play till 15s. Id recommend crafting a 2nd, you get low ones for few houndred golds.

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The answer is always the same. Make you own groups and spam as many m+ as you can.

That you say is nonsense. There are sooo many low keys going.

If you want to speed up this process farm a lot of ZM

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Get a guild and make friends… learn together.

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I don’t know, this sounds like a massive exagaration.

So your paladin is 232ilvl (as you say you are a tank) - very decent starting possition.

  • “Still working on my lego” - it basically takes x3 level7 torghast runs to get enough ash for 235lego, which will go a long way. 1hour maximum. Legendary power is the same wheter it’s 190 or 235 or 291. It’s only stats. So aim for 210 or 235ilvl lego first (depends how much gold you can spare).
  • “no one joins my key” - with what spec do you list it? Ofc if you are a lone dps who post a key, rarely people join it. But I don’t believe no one joins a key of a tank/healer (or mayne you are very picky?). If you post a key as a tank, it usually takes 2-3mins to fill up level2-7 keys. A lot of people do these on alts.
  • “5 guilds in 2.5weeks” - well this is a problem as well. I myself on my main changed 3 guilds in 11 years (Revenant->Raven->FADE - see, I even remember the names). This alt is on another guild all together (for like half a year now). It’s easy to quickly leave, but try to stick and give people more time. You have to create social connections and these takes time. And don’t expect for a guild to be automatic boost. No. You have to put effort yourself. Guildies will help, but you have to put effort.
  • “no guild will accept undergeared people”; well unless you apply to world top100 guild - this is a complete nonsense. Apply as a social, 90% of the guilds will gladly invite you as long as you are a nice person. Go to wow progress, find some early mythic progressed guild which hosts community events for socials and enjoy your long stay. And again, it takes effort to find such guild. For example my guild on this alt hosts social alts raid (socials can freely join), consistently posts keys in guild chat if some dps wants to join (between 5 and 20+), hosts tmog events, etc.etc. Just find a good community which takes socials on the journey. As a social you are free, you can join the raids once a month, leave the raid 1h early, etc.
  • 2 weeks ago my main druid tank had 0 rating, now it has almost 2000. Mostly pugs. My new shammy healer started this week, already ~500 rating.
  • you are alliance, and this makes things a bit harder, since majority of pve population is in horde. But still, all the above points apply.

If you are interested, I can help you out with one of my older ally alts to get you started. Post your bnet so I can add you to friends, and I will help you in early m+ to get some initial score.

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