and they dont get into +10s .
most who do are raiders . and peopel like you who play in premades.
normal population is stuck in like +6 / +7 unabled to progress
Nonsense again. Stop spreading it.
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What’s holding them back?
I’ve done plenty of 8-10s in pugs with people with no mythic raiding.
I have done loads of keys without mythic raiding, my guild started doing mythic quite late. I have like one item from mythic raiding the rest is all from m plus or heroic raid.
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I don’t raid, I don’t play in a premade most of the time.
I do 10s.
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My problem with those communities is that they usualy force you into voice when groups form - I don’t wanna endure 4 strangers’ ramblings during my play time, I just want to do the dungeon with competent people.
Looking in group finder, just searching for tens and selecting the first six that come up:-
Mythic raiding is not a requirement to do Keys.
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It is of course a preference, but voice makes coordination a whole lot easier. M+ isn’t solo content.
Depends how high the key is. Sometimes there is a benefit to being on voice comms. I do weeklies without though when pugging. Keys with friends I tend to be on voice.
I haven’t yet encountered anything in the current dungeons where that coordination wouldn’t be more or equally efficiently done in chat; there isn’t much that needs coordination in the first place - and I’m only interested in running some +8 to get the mythic tint for the mog.
Voice chats tend to make people babble unnecessarily - I hate it. And then the start asking private stuff I’m not interested in sharing.
I have absolutely no idea how you type in chat, read the chat and also have to face all the difficulties of the pulls that you are doing.
But i get it. All the mistakes are just redirected to the healer, who is sweating to keep the group alive.
I’m playing hunter in the current season (DK mog is horrible) - and even if I was tanking, why would I need to comment those pulls? It’s just the same pulls as are done in every PUG, nothing new that needs announcement.
To me every run seems to be different. And it isn’t only about what pulls you do. It is about who is interrupting or stunning what casts/ability. Or it is getting redirected to the healer, me.
Everyone can think for themselves, kick as much as possible, use their def cds when necessary - worked so far for +6es in PUGs, don’t see why it shouldn’t work for a +8.
Ask your healer if it worked out. This is why pugs no comms +8’s are harder than +12 with voice (ok, probably a slight exageration but there’s a lot of truth in there).
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As long as it’s timed it obviously worked out, and if it doesn’t, it’s usally the tanks screwing up by overpulling because they want to do some MDI stunts. Going slow but steady usually works better and also reduces the need for coordination. Less mobs casting and needing to be interrupted at the same time.
That’s the dps spirit.
Getting on voice and sometimes saying “me next” is too much of trouble 
And listening to the healer saying “next press defensives”.
It’s not. It’s absolute rubbish.
You’re speaking from a position of ignorance having not experienced this yourself.
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Nah, I play all roles; I always use my kick and def cds - I just don’t need strangers telling me to do so.
Well, good luck on your 8’s 
Dont be mad at the affix that gives some extra loss in time on some random deaths that could easily be prevented with some coordination.