Thanks; still won’t get me to join unnecessary voice just so strangers can blabber in my ear and start talking about their lives that don’t interest me - or have 2 people yell “I kick” at the same time. Urgh.
That’s crazy. I’m 605 ilvl and I’ve got everything upgrade from +3. And I have issues being invited into +4, despite playing on supposedly meta Aug.
How am I supposed to get “casual 610”? Wait for weeks for vault loot? By this time casual will shift to 615 I guess.
610 is overgear for +5 IMO.
I started this weekend on my monk on 605 and i got 11 dungeons done, up to +5 without trouble 
Hqvent not experinc what ? The absolutne abydmal experience of pugging this season ?
Its beyind horrible in keys liek +5 and +6 .
Im sur its nice in +10w with plenty of 635 + mythic raiders boosting you 
Again, stop talking crap.
My runs are on raider io. Please point out any where I’ve been boosted by people of 635 and above. If you can’t please stop lying.
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We timed our first +10 with a group of 617 average ilvl. with a mix of non raiders or heroic raiders.
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-tww-1/7177581-10-mists-of-tirna-scithe
You aren’t playing M+, you play delves. You explained that a lot of times here on the forums. So do not spout your nonsense of a gamemode you do not participate in.
So hc raiders boosted you to scores proving my point that you cannot progress m+ without raiders present
Most of you whi claim that m+ is ok raid.
Ofc you will defend current system of exclusiom of non raiders from doing m+
I think it were the non raiders who boosted the heroic raiders. Those non raiders also now have higher scores than the heroic raiders, but you just have to think what you think.
Before everyone needed to mythic raid in your oppinion, now it is just raid.
Nobody is gatekeeping anyone except themselves.
You move goalpoints as fast as you can. You claimed you need Mythic raiders with 635, now it are 2 heroic raiders with 615 ilvl.
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Nah you are all proving my point. All of you do not pug - you do m+ in communities and in guilds in groups full of raiders.
Proving my point that you have to RAID and do m+ in full premade groups else they are borderline undoable.
The falling numers of participation are proving my point not yours.
Blizzard pirposedly is destroying m+ to force peopel into toxic raiding guilds
My bad; i used a full open discord community No pressure. How bad of me. How much am i gatekeeping other players by posting MY key in a free open to join for everyone looking for group channel…
Imagine someone said “me next” on voice so we knew who interrupted something. The world is ending.
Players are gatekeeping themselves.
Outside of mythic raiding you get better gear and faster gear in M+ than in normal/heroic raiding. But you just moved your goalpost from 635 to 615 to boost in +10’s… And you claimed that is easy fast obtainable in delves. So not sure what your point is.
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I wouldn’t mind that, but the problem is that I haven’t yet joined any voice groups where I wasn’t bothered with unnecessary talking that wasn’t about playing the actual dungeon but instead private stuff or trash talk. And really, there aren’t many times where voice offers that much more than a quick ping or + in chat.
They have no argument they’ve already changed from mythic raiding to heroic raiding.
anyone who is atm 8/8 hc raider is a mythic raider.
i didnt change naything
m+ is not aimed at normal players anymore.
you are just defending corrupt toxic system because it suits you . so you dont care about other players in game and their horrible experience.
That is ridiculous. Heroic raiders are not mythic raiders.
M+ isn’t for everyone no. Delves are content that everyone can do.
M+ however is something you can do without raiding.
Only ppl that defend and like current system are these playing in premade grps or on meta classes, it has never been this bad.
+3 groups wiping and not timing necrotic / boralus, ppl asking for 630 for +7s and so on
And no, making own group does not work, u sit in que for 30 minutes and then rather just log
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I think it is totally fine with critisizing current reward system and keylevels step up (9 to 10 for example) without exagerating (not you) you need 635 ilvl mythic raiders to boost you to be able to finish +10 keys. And that was unfortunately the current claim.
Its probably true for the person that claims it, but that just says something about them and not the rest of the players. Wouldnt care too much about their whine.
and yet most of people who list keys wait exactly for those type of players.
i just listened to one of streamers who is doing 14/15 atm admiting that when she ques for raondom 11/12s without her premade groups she gets non stop declines because she plays not meta healer and how nonsensical this system is.
and here are you saying - nah its all sunshine and rainbows
I mean, the context you were talking about was +6-7 keys. That people want 630 ilvls for +14’s on title percentage 0.1% is a different topic.
Yes i have seen the quazzi video too. Completely irrelevant for you complains.
Go play the game yourself and experience how it is instead of listening to streamers and exagerating their points and pulling stuff completely out of context.
And definitely don’t accuse people from being boosted just for being able to do +10.
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The only issue I see with M+ is that +10 gives upgrades for everyone, including players who outgear its rewards by 17 ilvl. Then obviously most leaders will pick the highest geared players who apply…because why wouldn’t they.
But maybe I’m looking at this the wrong way.
People always judge the difficulty of a content based on the ilvl it drops. But considering the rewards of a +10 technically go up to 636, maybe overgearing it isn’t truly “overgearing” at all.