Hey so I’m not really going to beat around the bush with this, I got benched after being told I was definitely on a raiding team hence why I joined.
The reason for this bench is I’m assuming I was the lowest of the healers with grey parsing out of the 3 who were also grey parses, I’ve accepted that I’ve not played in a long time and I’m clearly out of loop on how I need to play my class, I’m fine with doing both holy or disc so advice on both would be very rewarding.
The reason why I’m asking for this advice is that being benched without being told after doing normal “Felt I was being used as a 5th pocket healer to make things go smoother” and having to “take the hint” was really morally damaging to the point I was ready to just quit the game because I felt it was rather mean instead of telling me prior or possibly putting in a hour to maybe coach me on where I can improve?
I’m not the young dude at 18 anymore who sweats like hell and knows everything in and out and breaths this game like oxygen, I’ve never really been into raider . io or parses so I’m only really learning about them now, in my day is was gear score and just your healing / dps
But yeah slightly upset at the moment, I still welcoming the trolling and all but I just need a light in the dark to maybe advise me on what to do regarding the situation, thanks if you read all this.
They didn’t coach you because they don’t know how. They also do not value you the player over any other fungible healer. Only you and they can judge why.
Your mindset is not in sync with your raid and my best advice is leave and find another. There is no happiness to be had with that one. You seem like you need to find a group that invests in players and some just do not. Any further time spent is a waste.
Sorry it’s probably not what you want to be told… But sometimes truth is more useful.
Please don’t feel the need to apologise, I’m more than open to all sides of the discussion, I really would like to improve I always have been that type of person, I do agree though I felt like I was given no support overall and in the end I feel like I can’t fully improve if not given that support.
I always want to make it clear I do also know its also my responsibility to also improve, though giving me a path to follow helps a lot with that.
Disc is good but it is really really hard in raid. Playing disc in raid is like a game of 4D chess married to Russian roulette. You’re either going to be the best or the worst healer.
Also healing is a zero sum game right now because damage is very spiky. A ton of healing thus gets wasted in overhealing if someone beats you to a spike heal. That is extra challenging for disc because disc needs to time their ramp windows to execute their heals. If you can do that, then great. But it’s hard in raid.
I would learn Holy for raid if you want more consistency in your performance, and work from there. They function a lot more like traditional healers and it’s far easier to ramp with them compared to disc.
If it makes it any more clearer the healing specs were evoker holy druid and mist and myself, I don’t know if that’s also a avid reason why, though I wouldn’t have thought it would be.
That’s going to be hard to play with, largely because you’re competing with the shields and raid wide cooldowns of Evoker, the throughput of MW and pally, and the HoT’s of a Druid. You’re playing against a zero sum situation.
Check out the raid tips guide I linked above. But your role as a priest here is to provide some utility.
You seem like a chill dude and open to feedback, so the first thing I would suggest is:
Find a better group that would treat their raiders better.
Generally even a failed trial deserves a good pointer on what they did wrong, so do not dwell on people just “dishing” you without providing feedback.
Now for the matter of you wanting to improve, I think that the general forums are not a good place cause of 2 reasons:
People will not have the means/knowledge to help you improve on your class/spec
The discussion style does not facilitate the use of logs/feedback
What I would suggest (I would assume that you have done the base reading of guides in wowhead) is:
Go over the fights and study abit what to expect.
Review the logs of the top players to understand HOW they play the spec.
If after studying and trying to imitate what good players are doing it does not work, ask help from the class discord. Generally that place is the best way to get feedback/questions answered. You will find there the same players that write the guides and the top players discussing, just make sure to not go and ask them basic questions answered by the guides.
From what I can see from your logs your healing was not the worst in the raid, but I saw you being one of the people dying the most. As said above disc is one of the hardest specs to heal with, because u have to know the fights/when the damage is happening so you can start your ramp BEFORE the damage goes off. Also work abit on your CPM (casts per minute) cause on average I saw you having 30CPM, which is abit low (that means more casts and less time spent iddle).
Best advice I can give is that if you are not super into disc, try abit holy (cause of the easiness to get into), and focus on the fights themselves and mechanics. Then you can focus more on the healing aspect of your spec.
thanks a lot for the feedback, I do find The disc healing rotation to be quite confusing and sometimes I do find I’m at parts not really healing loads but typically feel I’m also spamming heals when everyone’s practically topped up and feel like if I don’t use my 2 stacks of atonements then I’m not healing which then makes my brain go I need to heal constantly throughout the fight
“I always have thee mindset my bosses hp bar and my mana bar should reflect each other at all times.”
I don’t really remember dying much bar on trash though if I did die a lot then I’ll certainly try and resolve that, I’m sure that cpm might be based off the fyrak fight? Im not sure if thats the one you seen I just find on that fight the other healers were just ignoring the spirits so I was constantly having to run and heal them and also use one of my attornments on the spirits while also running with them while dpsing the boss to try and top them up basically.
Though thanks for this information and I’ll definitely try and improve those aspects it definitely seems like I should go back to holy as that was my main healing spec.
As said the more information and analysing the better.
I agree with the point above about the team needing to give you a bit of chance to develop. It’s a bummer but you’re probably better off without them.
I’d also agree that holy is probably a bit of a simpler spec to play if you’re a bit rusty. Disc relies on anticipating damage decently far in advance where holy can be more reactive.
Hope you can brush it off, try the No pressure community, I got roped into killing fyrakk with them and they were patient and explained things to people stepping in. Thats a pretty rare thing these days.
I couldn’t see what guild exactly benched you (I didn’t look hard) but you can bet your bottom dollar they are going to be a revolving door type guild if they treat people like they are.
“Parsing” as a healer is always a bit of a joke. There is only so much healing needed so its a zero sum game. A LOT of healers will play for themselves and not the team trying to “snipe” healing off of other people. At the lower levels it doesn’t really matter but on hard bosses its detrimental. I checked your highest healer on one fight and he did 13k damage total so he was spammin dem heals to make sure the other people didnt get em!
If you do want better parses (to be that guy). Understand what event in the fight will cause a lot of damage and rapture before it and steal the healing. (especially if someone else has indicated they will pop a cd like tranq). Voila, you’ve stolen their healing, you look like a champ and you’ve not helped the team!
See I’ve always been a team player, I was always expected to speak to the healers and create rotational major heals and raid wide defensives, I never really seen any of that apart from You have power infusion use it on this hunter.
I’ve never dealt with parses or anything I left at shadowlands and didn’t touch the game that much since then, I’ve also been watching them all do mythic+ But when I ask to do keys its on their alts at m0 when I’ve done high keys in shadowlands or even a 10 last week “I never really dip my toes into it till late expansion”
I’m just sorta lost at this point I find it rather Anxiety inducing asking to join guilds and stuff, I’m currently in the guild and I want to leave but at the same time I don’t want to do it when others are online as it will also raise my anxiety “I overthink a lot”
I just got a sense that I wasn’t cut out for Warcraft anymore and I was best to put the coat up at 30 and just simply play single player games like darksouls.
Don’t be discouraged! Healing is hard this expansion. If it helps, I’m learning to play disc right now coming from Evoker and… it has been a humbling experience.
Learn the fundamentals of healing first, then go from there. Folks in this thread have given great advice. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Keep trying.
And I generally agree you may want to try to find another team to play with. One that would help you grow.
If its normal the parses do not rly matter as there is little to heal plus you have other classes that easily healer snipe. Being benched for normal or even heroic is very harsh and i am sorry you have gone through this.
And asking for advice is great we got some really great healers on these forums with tons of experince,
As someone previously done and looked at my parses I’m happy to show people it to give views, If I’m, playing really bad I would like to know and be told what to improve and how.
I definitely will take Razgards and Danellos / Dajarous opinions into account, I just feel like I’m now stuck in a rut, could just be my anxiety / overthinking being triggered though.
Try not to over think it and rest some ok pls you are a really nice person to chat with and we can help pick you up and dust you off ready for another day.
you are a really nice person to chat with and we can help pick you up and dust you off ready for another day.
