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Classic fanboys had unrealistic expectation of Classic and false memory of Vanilla with all those awesome world pvp, real RPG, best community, etc. nonsense.
It was not true and it is never true. And expecting the players and community to be the same as 15 years ago is just ridiculous and borderline stupid.
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You must of had a different experience because you are totally wrong. I remember it well and it was fantastic. Completely different. We can argue back and forth all day like this won’t change anything.
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Showing weakness? Its a game, silly. Only a game.
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And there is no point to blame Blizzard for it. Blizzard just presents Classic as it is with no changes.
But today’s players choose to play it in a much more efficient way, which is not surprising at all, and it is totally expected by anyone. If the community 15 years ago had the knowledge and experience of today’s players, they would did exactly the same.
Everyone here on the forum is blame other players making the Classic community TOXIC. But you are also part of the community and you are also “other players” for others. Then who is exactly to blame?
Then I guess everyone on the forum is the one that makes the community GREAT and whoever is not on forum is toxic!
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I don’t know what your problem is but you seem to have a few things wrong.
Actually Classic does have changes and one of them is an increased population on each server, by alot. This causes faction imbalance to be more exaggerated in a world that hasn’t gotten any bigger.
More people have rolled horde as countless youtube videos have stated over and over that their racials are the way to go if you want to pvp. So this has had some sway in numbers.
Blizzard is to blame for the imbalance and toxic players that want to grind the game to the point people can’t play are also to blame.
I think we have discussed all we need to Kanasi, or is there something else you want to say?
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Not really sure what people mean by a toxic community. People gonna push.
The issue is that faction balance on most of the PvP servers is out of whack to the point where fighting back is impossible. Did Blizzard vaguely care about faction balance back in Vanilla? Not sure, its a long time ago - but I feel they tried. Or maybe they were just more successful by dumb luck.
The net result is that people on the minority faction quit, and so the situation gets worse - and then worse and worse.
Saying “get good noob” or “suck it up carebear” to your prey doesn’t make much sense. Because they just leave.
Then the game starts to break down as there is no one to gank. Moving into the future, can you imagine battleground queues on these servers with 65-70% horde?
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It didn’t feel as bad back then as the server populations were alot smaller
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“Blizzard is to blame for the imbalance and toxic players”. I am not sure if you are serious.
It is player’s personal choice to play horde or alliance, not forced by Blizzard. Not matter how OP the horde racials are in pvp, Blizzard keeps them the same, because that was Vanilla. And that is exactly what players want Blizzard to do: no changes.
And how is it Blizzard’s fault if some players like to grind the game? Blizzard just keeps the game exactly how it should be. And players are playing the way they want to, without breaking any rules or EULA.
You like pvp, but you don’t like to be killed, camped and grinded again and again. Well, as thousands of others have pointed out: You have the choice to reroll PvE. Since you don’t like that either, so there is no happy solution for you, and quitting the game is the right decision.
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Yes, but people apparently get so upset about “only a game” and let it get to them, that they cant endure it anymore and quit. Just let it go , take a breather and wait until the storm eases up, which it will once BGs are live. And dont call me silly, as you are just a cow waiting for its inevitable demise on the Grill.
i meant blizzard are to blame for the imbalance, and toxic players are to blame for the way they are playing.
And as hundreds have pointed out to you, we want to play on a pvp realm as we like pvp. We are aware of what happens on them in terms of ganking, it’s the one sided nature brought on by the imbalance is what we are complaining about.
Do you understand this? Because I feel like i have to explain the difference between one sided imbalance, to being ganked and ganking every now and again. It’s not the result of being on a pvp server we don’t like, it is the result of a one sided imbalance of population.
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Hey Dwight Schrute, chill a bit.
Tell me why are you so offended when someone complains. Do they complain about you? Is it your fault? What’s your concern in it?
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Do you think the storm will really subside once BG’s come out? Let me point something out to you. When BG’s come out the queues will be alot longer for Horde. Horde will need to get the honour in each day and will have to do world pvp whilst waiting for bgs. It won’t change.
I think you need to get out of your head about people not being able to handle stuff and crying. It is a game we hold dear to our hearts and we want it to do well and continue on. This is an issue that needs addressing else the forums will be full of people like you saying the game is unplayable as there is no alliance to kill.
My problem, will be your problem.
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The problem isn’t even the major faction imbalance by itself, it’s the insane population size of the realms. Even at 40:50 ratio we are talking about thousands of active players difference which is enough to tip the balance so much that most things in the world become unplayable for the minority faction. Even the majority faction will have hundreds or thousands of players getting griefed or ganked by higher level players for example that not part of the majority. The realms are way too large.
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Faction balance was never achieved and will never be achieved. Why people still don’t understand this?
Even today, all the top population EU servers: Outland, Silvermoon, Draenor, Kazzak, etc, are all extremely imbalanced with 10 to 1, even 20 to 1 faction pop ratio.
This is not a problem in retail and you don’t hear people complain about it, only because Cross-server was introduced many years ago. And war mode bonus based on continent-level (NA, EU, Asia) faction population ratio also improves it, because larger pool gives better balance.
Since there is no cross-server in Classic and the Classic fanboys are #nochanges, there is no way to change the situation. Free transfer or faction queue will NOT change it.
Every large pop PVP server will end up 1 faction domination, just exactly like how wow servers used to be before cross-server was introduced. I don’t know why anyone would think else.
If you think Blizzard can do something about faction imbalance, please propose some feasible solution instead of just blaming.
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The problem is the we (the alliance) are seen as just numbers, we are honor, we are not another person sat at a computer having logged in to enjoy a game. I love pvp, but most of the content of the game at my level has become locked.
I spent an hour tonight trying to get to brd to get xp, kit and have fun with rl friends. After not even making it to the instance in 45 mins we gave up and rez sicked, just to be farmed by 3 horde sitting on the graveyard. 10 minutes later i managed to fly to menthil harbour. I landed and was stabbed by a rogue 60. Then flew back to if and a friend portaled us all to dala so we could go try DM. That went just as well as blackrock mountain. Killed on way in, then a horde rogue insta killing me everytime i rezzed, even catching me when i managed to get mounted.
So, after 2 hours of playing i rage quit. Most of you horde who love to flame any of us with the audacity to complain would have also. Not because i hate pvp or wpvp but because i was being farmed. I was a number and the enjoyment simply wasnt there, i couldnt play the game.
A good few years ago after i played vanilla i played Rift for a while and we did the same there, we farmed the other faction and managed to kill our server to the point where there was no world pvp at all. Took us about 2 months and the game was lost then to us.
So i understand why im being ganked and corpse camped, i understand you’re enjoying it but just be aware that it will eventually come back to bite you in the as s cause us dodo’s will eventually become extinct.
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Again you are mistaken. Retail is different to Classic/Vanilla in the sense that the honour system exists. It is a grind to get Rank 10+ to which at the moment can only be achieved out in the world. This coupled with the imbalance of faction causes the game to be unplayable.
Retail, you can turn off war mode as and when so we can’t compare these two.
And just because it hasn’t been achieved doesn’t mean it can’t. It needs to be made better with faction caps or queue systems. It’s brutal but the game as is needs it. Or the populations need lowering significantly.
Kanasi, I know you are passionate in what you type but you’ve missed the mark and misunderstood a few times in this discussion now. Please don’t speak with such conviction on topics you are not even knowledgeable about.
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This is clearly the prime example how how great the community is on classic, with a forum full of trolls, people calling each other all sorts etc…
Wow how mature alot of you are rolls eyes
I genuinly feel bad for anyone who’s experienced this because of such people. Now it brings into light the problem with WoW was and never has been casuals or hardcore or whatever name you want to call it.
It’s overgrown children like some of the people posting here that cannot see further than their own nose.
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You are absolutely bang on the mark there! This is exactly what I am trying to express.
People need to see this and understand why i’m “whining” instead of focusing on the fact that someone is complaining.
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It wasn’t true just because you said so… right!
Wpvp, at least in my opinion and at least in my server, wasn’t awesome, but it was funnier than this s*** show, with overcrowded and/or unbalanced servers.
Faction/server cap should have been a thing from the beginning.
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