I think that DBM has to go

Because the view that you held has implications by inciting that someone else is specifically discriminating against those with disabilities when this was never said by them.

Do you not understand how people react nowadays both online and offline when someone gets accused of something so bad without any evidence to back it up? Trying to misrepresent the opinion of another person to fit a narrative that it was never related to can have serious consequences for the person accused. This type of things happens far too much in today’s age.

You do that, you’ve conveyed nothing more then your attempt to trap another poster with your lie. Lets quote where this started and lets see who is misreading comments.

which then you only quoted ‘Only trash remains’ and replied with…

When disabilities were never the point of Electras opinion as they were speaking generally about the player base.

There’s a difference, you used slander in an attempt to make another poster on the forums seem like they were discriminating against a minority group when this is far from the truth.

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Okay, so where is your 8/8 mythic character? If it’s just “Simon says”, then getting cutting edge should be a piece of cake, right?

You aslo missed out and didn’t in all your quotes use this what I said also they slander the whole retail playerbase if you want to go that way .

But thanks for going out of your way in yet another thread to make me look bad read the whole post before cherry picking replies .

Yet you have done exactly the same thing to me misquoted but yet again doesn’t surprise me with how much you have bashed me recently .

Trust me you are not the first nor the last that fell for that trap,best just to ignore.

Gr8 w8 missing the point of the thread.But i doubt you even care for decent discusion.

Like how you slandered me and Trans for being the same person posting on two accounts at the same time even when shown actual proof .
You go ahead an accuse players of that ,then accuse others of slander I be very careful what you post from now on as that counts as harrasement saying it in 3 to 4 threads .

Yeah I bashed you so much. :roll_eyes:

You truly are mimicing SJW behaviours here. First you make an accusation from your own purpose misrepresentation of another viewpoint, then you try and fight your side and now you cry victim because you’ve been called out for your unsuccessful attempt at slandering another forum poster.

As for misquoting, do you really think I misquoted you likening a general comment to discrimination when that is what you did? I’d rather you (and anyone else) critisized people for what they have said rather than what they haven’t.

Just like I said this to you in another thread when you said that you’re not a big bxxxh like everyone thinks you are.

This is an example where I was actually positive about you on the forum very recently, or have you selectively chosen to ignore this. Anyone on these forums can go through my post history to see it in this thread. Maybe I was wrong on my opinion there though.

Maybe you should get over yourself and stop crying because you’ve been caught out in this thread.

I’d rather take people on then ignore this kind of attitude, society is being eroded by this kind of thinking. I wish more people would stand up to it rather then ignore it as the problem doesn’t go away.

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Iam not crying and you can think of me what I like I really don’t care you don’t know me and the people I play with ingame and speak to on the forums know me and know I am passoniate about wow and my views .

When you have to put up with people saying you are posting on 3 chars at the same time it gets to you .
Iam fed up with retail players being bashed but you cant seem to get that into your head .
Yes I got angry because when she/he called everyone " trash" for using addons that imho includes people who cant play without them .
You are not looking at my post in the bigger view you are reading what you want to read .
But sure go ahead and accuse me of being evil you think what you want and bash and bash and make me look bad I truly do not care anymore .
And to think its ok to call people trash and generalize .
Calling me an SJW aswell my respect for you has gone I didn’t think you resort to insults to get a view across .

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What do you mean? If all raids are a walk in the park because of dbm, then OP should have no issue clearing 8/8 mythic, or what am i missing here?

I have been in successful guilds with some folks who did not use DBM or any similar addon. For most of them, it was because their computers sucked and DBM has been a resource hog in the past (especially in the MoP days). They were ironically some of our most aware players, and we rarely had issues with them.

The only trouble they usually had were pull timers not always showing up, but they found some workarounds for that via macros and teamspeak communication.

It is a matter of what you are used to. If you are used to having an addon flash at you when you need to be aware of something, then that is fine. But if you feel like this takes away from your experience, then you need to think about that.

Personally, I will continue to use DBM.

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DMB was ingame since classic and you are wrong .

I quote

DBM is the evolution of LVBM (la vendetta boss mods) which existed since AQ Release, BW also has been around during late BWL or early AQ (not 100% sure) and CTRaid which almost every guild required back then had emotes/raidwarnings/rudimentary timers…

You are lying about me and Trans being the same person and I you cant link 2 or 3 accounts without the achivements being linked its impossoable .
You have any idea how obsured you sound right now .I would need 2 to 3 pc’s to post at the same time and 3 accounts iam sorry that’s just bonkers ive just about got enough money to paye 1 sub per month .
For a start CM would never give IP details about anyone .

And so are you ,you have no right to speak in a conversion that me and Seaca are having and yet again accuse me and Trans of things we have not done .You any idea how much lying you are doing ?

Me and Brewny and ive no idea why you bring this up again both agreed that level 1s got stuck in a loop we we couldn’t record them ive no idea why your bring this up In a 4th thread .

Content is designed with weakauras + dbm regarding mythic raids and m+ …it didnt have to,it worked oke in wrath,cata fine with the HC difficulty,and people didnt even use dbm back then(and weakauras started to take effect around MOP)
The game was working fine and was challenging enough(just look at ulduar and hardmodes) Its something that Preach gaming touched in his Legacy of the Wrath video(awsome video btw).
And even Ion said that there internal raid testing team is also using addons when they are creating the difficultys.Insted of just banning the addon and see how the people and players do witout the addons,and if they want to challange them self,then log a run witout legos,or gear what ever works…and show off.

Because the bosses were easier? Or are you going to argue that wrath hardmodes and heroics were harder then mythic Archimonde? The raids have progressively been getting harder and that makes things like weakauras necessary. The bigger the challenge > the bigger need for tools and resources like dbm and weakauras.

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Even if DBM was banned, people would just set up a timer outside of the game that would track things. At most, even hook it up to the memory.

Kudos to those guys.And really if they pulled that off.

Yes m8 but this part of your post i would read only if you are puggin so you dont care if the players in the raid will notice it or not.But if you are part of a guild you would never take a disadvantage and possibly wipe your team.So i dont take the argument “just dont use it” if players in higher difficuty see as having weakauras and dbm as a necessity.And this is the point of the thread…it really doesnt add anything to the difficulty only just to design the encounters with the said addons in mind.

Do you know when the one-shot raid mechanics started to be main stream in mythic raids?It was exactly in WoD raids and even Preach has a video about it.Weakauras started to raise in MoP,blizz cought up on that,so they started to design the raid with that in mind.Witch even proves more the point that the OP,and people are trying to point out.
Watch those older tbc,wrath maybe even cata videos.Yes those mechanics are slow but keep in mind you dont have dbm installed.You dont have to have a spread sheet of 20 abbilities per boss and 2,3 mechanic one abbility does.You can have 4-5 and design raids with no boss addons at all.

Thanks mate. :slight_smile:

This 100% applying to classic wow too btw. If anything its worse in classic as thats where alot of the people are, including the toxic portions who expect to be carried etc.

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If you think the raids are easy and its because of DBM then you only touched lfr on retail. And what should they do? Bring back the great Classic raid design where we would be able to clear a raid with lvl 115 people?

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