Very hard to agree… I love playing lock and using gateway and Teleports. It’s fun figuring it out and pre-positioning those. Some bosses feel really hard on destro though (like last boss in COT)
You just don’t like Warlock.
I believe we should have diversity in specs, you don’t like Aff? Well, someone loves it. Do we really need 20 similar specs in the game? People like that ruin the game and classes, like they ruined Arcane and Enh for example
I did not do even that bad damage in low keys as destro, in DF it would be impossible. No idea why you complain
it’s very much exaggeration and only applicable to destro, the only thing you can fail on demo is not casting tyrant in time to “lose massive amounts of dps” and affli just need to not overcap on shards and refresh agony in time.
thats’s cool and all, how many other casters have as much casting utility as mage, jimmy? Also you can use circle and gate to optimize your casting times, demonic circle teleport is instacast
No! you don’t want to touch this subject because it’s inconvenient to narrative you are trying to enforce, especially considering that you already discussing cast times of spells in vacuum, i ask again: how more mobile other casters compared. to. mage?
ohh that’s complete bullcrap, i’ve seen streams of kalamazi when he was able to tank mechanics that are dire for other classes by pressing saves and insta-recovering his hp with soulburned healthston, and i myself had moments like surviving without healing and tanking unavoidable damage, if there were no point in being able to tank damage no one would’ve invested into dark pact unending resolve and soul leech in talent tree, but here we are.
I’m not saying defensives are bad, the point is that Warlock’s lack of mobility was a tradeoff for being tanky, but nowadays everyone is tanky (not only Mages) therefore it’s not a tradeoff anymore, it’s just an outdated design.
All classes got massive improvements on their weaknesses, for example Shamans are tanky as heck now, meanwhile Warlock still has 0 mobility.
NO!
that’s what i’m trying to tell you dood, mages can’t heal themselves, their defensives need to be set up and can’t be reactionary, shadow priests sacrficies his damage to heal, shammy sacrfices it too, nowadays warlock can passively heal himself with dark pact/unending resolve through hero trees and has THREE charges of healthstone, i wager they will improve even more on warlock survivabilty in future, watch them implement warlock version of divine shield.
except constant nightfall procs, demonic core generation, circle, waygate, burning rush, most of the damage source being out of casting (every demo pet and affli dot does damage on it’s own), destro’s ritual and soul fire fast cast procs.
YES!
Listen “dood”, Mages can indeed heal themselves, not only via Alter Time which negates all damage if it doesn’t kill you, but also with Cry-Freeze a passive that heals you while in your Ice Block (or the variant where you can still attack). So yes, Mages can heal themselves reactively while also being able to dps if they want to.
I’m gonna say it again since apparently the first time you didn’t read it, this time with caps so prepare yourself.
THE TRADEOFF FOR WARLOCKS BEING A SLOW TURRET WAS THE TANKYNESS, NOW THAT EVERYONE IS AS TANKY IF NOT MORE, IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE THAT WARLOCKS STILL HAVE NO MOBILITY.
Random procs do not count because they aren’t reliable, and that’s only for Demo anyways. all those spells you’re mentioning also require setup and all of them are on the global cooldown, which means canceled casts, which means dps loss. And don’t get me started on Burning Rush for the love of god…
Mage is one of the tankiest classes, if you think they aren’t I’m afraid you are really bad at the game
I don’t understand, how people have the nerves to play anything other than tank in pve group content. First, you gotta wait ages as dps, then you have to follow some random guy around, and in the end your gameplay is just following a perfomance rotation step by step. I don’t really get the appeal
Which is a set up ability and can’t be used reactionary
Ah yea 4 min cooldown glorified unending resolve, i forgot, such a game changing ability, SHOCKER
If you have caps lock on your keyboard doesn’t mean you need to use it so much, dood.
Warlocks have mobility, you can even go to icy veins and see a guide for demo and affli that says that demo has high mobility if you don’t believe me after i pointed everything that makes demo and affli in fact quite mobile specs.
Yeaah, what if you won’t get demonic cores from imps, dogs and wait, RELIABLE power siphon, shockah.
You also get guaranteed nightfall from haunt if you are specced into soul harvester, soul harvester constantly generates nightfall.
Though, they can be spammed (45 sec dark pact and 1:30 minutes unending resolves with 1 minute healthstone, not mentioning constant passive soul leech and soul link) and healthstone is literally reactionary spell that can be insta used and get full hp from it, and you aren’t sacrificing your dps because you have shard generation high enough to not feel it at all. Or wait wait, do you want to say that by, ehm, using your precious gcd you’ll sacrifice dps? Are you playing ffxiv?
There IS valid discourse about tyrant needed to be an instacast spell, because if you don’t execute tyrant window in time you LITERALLY lose high amounts of dps and anyway infernal and darkglare are instacasts too. though the problem isyou aren’t discussing mechanical nuances, you are just lamenting about surface mechanics in vacuum. Duh duh hardcast duh duh procs duh duh.
So you think 4 min CD 70% damage reduction with a built-in heal (and the ability to recast it with Cold Snap) is worse than a 3 minute CD 40% damage reduction?
Unending Resolve is arguably the worst defensive in the game (pve wise), it has the worst %DR per cooldown ratio of all the defensives. I’d give anything to have something like Evoker’s Obsidian Scales, Renewing Blaze, or Rogue’s Feint.
Honestly if that’s gonna be the level of this discussion with you I’d rather stop it here, was fun though.
Destro is unplayable in arena literally.
Every decent player can LOS us to death and retreat and heal full heath at any point.
Also Yea afli is a abomination since Cataclysm. It peaked in TBC for me.
1- It’s not your only mobility ability. You have also demonic circle teleport. With soul burn it’s a 50% speed increase + snare immunity and has only 30s CD. I won’t count demonic gateway since it’s a raid utility useable by all.
2- Warlocks have more HP than most other DPSers having similar ilvl. My ilvl 594 warlock has more than 5.1M hp, my ilvl 605 mage has a little less than 4.7M hp. The extra hp gives you around 2-3 sec of rushing.
3- Warlocks can talent to be able use healthstones multiple times in combat. Each extra health stone is worth 8 sec of rush.
4- Yes, having no CD on a 50% movement speed (70% talented) and duration only limited by HP (so can last forever if you are healed) is a big deal. No other class has that. You are not supposed to have it active 100% of the time.
5- Warlocks are very tanky. Their survivability is better than most other DPS. So losigng hp is not a bad tradeoff
You might have a point here. I don’t like affliction too (I don’t like the play style), but I am not a warlock main and that’s my personal opinion. May be other locks like it.
Whats the point of classes if everyone gets the same stuff? If you’re not fan of the warlock gameplay maybe its time for you to look for another class that fits your playstyle.
