Source? I dont see it
Which mission table, exactly, states that the Horde conquered Arathi?
Also:
Put that filthy source away. What do you think this is, a lore forum?!
You want to claim that it isnât canon? I mean, you are welcome, but you need to prove it.
I just noticed this. As soon as Nathanos hears Sylvanas say âour cause is not lostâ, he walks up to her and gives her the news that they are losing the war. He was like âSorry babe, but our cause is indeed lost. Itâs gg.â
So you want to say that this quote which is used in-game is actually canon? What a strange attitude.
Someone on AD forums actually came up with an interesting idea that Nathanos is now feeding us information on purpose, starting with dropping the orders in 8.2.
Could it be that even Nathan understands what an unhinged moron Sylvanas is?
Nope. Actually Nathanos underestimates what kind of expert Sylvanas is at throwing over the entire game table. Which is why my prediction is still with Stormwind as final raid. There wonât be a SoO 2.0.
Or in this case throwing the game table into the ocean. Eh weâll see at Blizzcon but I would actually be pleasantly surprised by Blizzard for once if that was what they were going for with Nathanos.
Just stop. The ending cinematic of 8.2 very clearly proves that either NâZoth or Void-infused Azshara are the final encounters, and neither of them fit in a Stormwind raid. Let alone the fact that Stormwind simply wasnât designed to serve as a raid.
Neither is Thunderbluff. Yet everyone throws theories. Donât be scared Kul tiran woman
What?
Itâs true. You can share your theories. And I can debunk them
Thunder Bluff is also clearly set up to be a red herring. Sylvanas has nothing left to attack it, and if she did the smurfs could just attack Orgrimmar from the north.
Basically your worst nightmare. Nathanos throwing his lot in with Baine and pals D :
Smart move. Itâs better to leave the ship early instead of sinking with it.
Not really since there is still enough loyalists around. TB is a red herring but blizzard wonât recycle a raid that was already lost in popularity. The rebels have like 6 people plus the other Tauren. Thatâs not enough to take orgrimmar.
Not enough loyalists to hold literally any outpost in the world, it seems. But donât worry, this is all part of her 1000 iq Shadowlands plan.
We do not know if the other races really stand with their leaders. But so far, Goblins, magâhar and undead all support Sylvanas.
I am sure that the ragtag group of hobos who came from Draenor will be of great use to Sylvanas.
Gallywix plays for the winning team. Whatever it may be. But even he has contemplatively remarked on his responsibility for the war.
(This dialogue)
Trade Prince Gallywix says: Yâknow, every now and then I think, should I have really told Sylvanas about this whole Azerite thing?
Trade Prince Gallywix says: If ya really think about it, if no one ever found out about the stuff, maybe we never woulda started this whole war.
Trade Prince Gallywix says: Coulda avoided burninâ down that tree, might still have the undead city⌠it really makes ya think, donât it?
Trade Prince Gallywix says: ⌠HAH! Iâm just kiddinâ! Of course I donât care about that stuff, Iâm flyinâ a freakinâ mech that shoots lasers made outta the planetâs blood!
He brushes it off as a joke, but it is still him that brings it up. One can see that as nothing. Or as a sign of doubt from someone who keeps his own council. And that was before Baine and the others started defecting.
And since one of your arguments was that the leaderâs opinion doesnât have to reflect the populationâs⌠well, that goes here as well. Goblins arenât really known to take oaths too seriously, and not everyone will bet on Sylvanasâ victory, if it isnât certain. Apart from that there are goblins like Gazlowe who do take moral considerations seriously.
Magâhar are a few refugees whose motivations havenât been really looked at, yet. Their leader did support wheeding out traitors. But that doesnât really mean that she understands the situation at all and would stand with zombies of all people, who she only just met, against the rest of the Horde that saved them. I donât remember Sylvanas pulling them out personally. Eitriggâs position on Sylvanas might be relevant here, but I guess there is only room for 2 orcish relics in the spotlight this addon.
And even the Forsaken have shown signs of discontent in BtS. And that was before Sylvanas essentially executed dissenters and plagued their home. There are obviously Forsaken troops that stand with her, but I think it would be premature to say that all undead support Sylvanas.
So yeah⌠the situation of those races isnât any more written in stone than that of the other races. They can and will go however they like. If there is to be a big fight against Sylvanas, she will have loads of troops loyal to her. If there is meant to be a bloodless coup there wonât be many who will defend her in the end. If she leaves the Horde on her own terms theyâll leave it ambiguous.
You just answered your own question.