Well it has to be a super elite MDI +22 push group in order to ghost me and Gloober.
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But they still bring PI.
Which at least for my hunter, is around 500k extra DPS in a 2min fight against 5 targets.
The best teams don’t chose the best healer in terms of healing output, but w/e can just keep them alive. And brings the most usefull stuff, that’s how it’s always been.
And if you look through a bunch of logs, you’ll notice that groups with a priest healer, their PI target does around 500k+ more DPS than the same classes in groups with no PI. Funny how that works.
And consistent with what i talked about in my post, disc just brings overall the most dmg, in very usefull way. The team can decide when to unleash all that dmg around the pulls they want.
Are shields great? ofc they are. And they are indeed the “best” kind of healing as it prevents the dmg in the first place. But that still doesn’t change that if you made a new healing class who did the same or better shields/healing than disc, but didn’t bring PI? We’d still more than likely see disc as the meta.
Nah it has me, that means we have privileges.
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But you were invited as well.
Well yes, but super MDI keys and all that
So anyway. It’s funny that while OP was complaining that they can’t get into a key because meta and he can’t list his key because meta, we managed to get a dungeon group running from his thread XD.
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Absolutely, 100% correct.
In fact, you can clearly see what the effects of PI are:
https://ibb.co/LX8XtD1j
Its that little extra “bar” right there. And the problem with PI is not the DPS it provides. Its the fact that as long as it exists, you will ALWAYS have 1 DPS with that little “extra bar”. And there is nothing Blizzard can do about it.
And it cements the meta more than it should. And that is why PI should go IMO.
But you forget something very importnat:
PI is a PRIEST skill. Not a DPriest. Voidweavers also have PI, and in the graphs I posted above, it was ALSO not counted. And should DPriest loose out on HPS department (shields) then Holy or SP will take its place.
So the effects of PI remained the same between the two graphs I posted. But by changing from Voidweaver to Oracle, the healer DPS changed significantly. To the lower side.
Therefore, DPS is NOT a factor in the DPriest meta. Or healer meta. Its the shields, which are good enough to justify going from top 1 DPS, to bottom 1 DPS.
I doubt it. Like I said. The Oracle Priest Shields are as good as my personal defensive. Equal or better than ANY personal defensive of any class.
But instead of having a 1 or 2 min CD. It has a 6s CD. Lasts for 20s. And the DPriest can cast that on the whole party all at once.
That allows you to push keys WAY above what would normally be possible. And it allows you to literally ignore mechanics in lower keys.
That is real reason Oracle Priest is meta now. When Voidweaver was meta, PI, Mind Soothe, Fortitude and other forms of utility were the reason it was meta. NOT the DPS. And should they have nerfed the HPS of Voidweaver, SP or Holy would have taken its place instead.
well if point out flaws didnt work out then maybe point out possible soliutions or alternatives .
because nobody lieks to have flaws pointed out
you see problems and flaws while you sould see a challenge 
List your own key and/or make friends. Ooooh you meant for SoloQ. Add a spectate mode.
I think it’s a non starter personally. I think it’s a terrible idea, even if I didn’t want to use it, it will only further splinter the player base of M+.
The solution is to not do it.
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But think of the Spectate mode.
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pople said exactly the same about sloq for pvp .
for years
and yet huge hunk of pvp playerbase now uses it actively.
and fo he records- i agree that for high keys it wouldnt work
but for low keys ? like 2-5 ? it has huge potential imo as those keys are absolute clownfiesta atm anyway - it literaly couldnt be worse then what we already have in game.
Splintering the player base is already happening because of the current system. The player base is already fractured. Matchmaking bridges that gap by giving people a way in. If you don’t want to use it, don’t. But gatekeeping it from others is wrong. You’re not protecting the game.
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Sometimes we are also excluded from keys we are invited to. Due to undisclosed privilege.
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Lol, if only 
nah, i have a group of friends i’ve met through communities and guild and the forum that have been doing keys together since s3 of BFA (some members gone and new joined along the way). We always do keys on fridays and tuesdays 
Now i feel bad 
i would have joined if i was free!
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It doesn’t? Lets be clear, oracle disc is broken, thats why its meta. Oh look a deadly mechanic is on someone, lets place a giga buffed shield on them to trivialise it. It’s an external with no meaningful CD.
But thats because of A) Blizzard removing the old +2-10 bracket and essentially making what used to be +11-15 the learning keys, and B) Delves offer the same level of gear and are a faceroll + the added bonus of HC gear with maps.
Np, we will most likely be doing more tomorrow or over the week. We need to make the "Forum M+) group a thing XD
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I still can’t believe I made fun of my VDH a ton and then people here showed up with a coffin to carry him through a +10.
I’ve always thought the WoW community was amazing but I didn’t know it was “It’s fine bro, just lie in this coffin, we’ll carry you.”
I love that the only thing of substance to come out of this incoherent rant about m+ being too hard to pug is a group of people deciding to pug some keys together, none of which being the OP.
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People said it would solve wait times. It made them worse because healers dont want to heal the absolute garbage players in SoloQ.
And because it ruptured the arena scene the 2v2 and 3v3 scene died with it. And hence, if you want to PvP arenas you have no other option.
If you call that… a “success” then be my guest…