Top 5 m+ MW here.
I truly hoped and believed that holding off the previous nerf was due to the fact that Blizzard realized that gutting us in m+, where we are already quite average, just because a few outliers buying BoEs from AH for raids would make no sense.
So imagine how disappointed I was to see this change, bringing an absolutely unwarranted nerf for our already struggling m+ toolkit. The env extends in the m+ were a must to stay atleast somewhat competitive and most importantly, mana efficient (atleast to a playable level), while still bringing dps, in which we underperform anyway in comparison with the top tier picks, rdudu and hpal.
Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely agree that the raid enveloping build had to go, and I won’t even get started on our viability with the usual rem build post-nerf, as I don’t have the raid knowledge to open that can of worms, but how could anyone come up with this change on their second attempt? The proper fix was already there, the same treatment that holy paladins got. Just cap Envs and Rems to an arbitrary number that doesn’t hurt us in m+ (anything at or above 5)
People saying this doesn’t affect us for m+ either have no idea how a MW operates in high keys, or they simply do not care. I can tell you for a fact, this is gonna be quite a big nerf for an already struggling spec. I am pretty sure this is it for us, and I do not expect them to come up with a third solution. Just disappointed, is all. Got my hopes up for nothing.
As previously stated I don’t play Holy as I have copy pasted for you below:
Doesn’t matter if its the top 100 or top 5000, broken is broken.
Outside of corruption monks aren’t as bad as you think, you wanna see a sorry class? Go look at Shaman, outside of link they’re meh. Not saying they couldn’t be brought up to a better level however.
You go girl.
So that makes them okay? You’re deluded.
Top 100 Maut Logs: 90 monks
Top 100 Skitra: 62 Monks (top 43 are all monks)
Top 100 Hivemind: 84 Monks
Top 100 Shad: 98 Monks
Top 100 Drest: 62 Monks (top 45 are all monks)
These are the top Monk saturdated bosses, even the ones not selected generally had the top 10 as Monks pulling significantly higher HPS.
Just for the record and to blow your mind, I still think glimmer is ridiculous and current Holy Paladin design around glimmer is garbage.
Seeing as you’re foaming at the mouth and unable to read here are direct quotes of me agreeing with Holy Paladins needing a nerf earlier than the next tier:
Call me stupid, but I don’t understand this. Does it mean it now becomes an ability with a cooldown and it’s no longer passive? Or does the Kick prolong all my HoTs by 100% of base duration, which sounds great but I don’t think that#s what they meant. also, it says it CAN now extend, not that it simply DOES. Some clarification for the stupid people like me please
It means that when you RSK, it extends by 4 seconds, but the total duration of the extension cannot be longer than 100% of the base duration. In practice, this means that if you don’t let your HoTs fall off, you can keep them on for twice their normal duration, and then RSK will no longer extend them, and you have to refresh.
In other words, the maximum duration got capped. You still use RSK to extend them, it still extends them by 4 seconds. But you can no longer keep them up forever. They may fall off, if you fail to extend them, that’s the “by up to” part.
I am not sure how many chain RSK procs are you going to get to extend your HoTs for so long that it requires a nerf? As some poster said above how many Monk healers from the total population doing say Heroic and Mythic raids were extending it to such an extend to qualify for a nerf?
How many “players discovered” this ? How many Monk healers discovered and used this expressed as a % of all Monk healers with ilvl high enough to be able to do theoretically so ? What is the minimum ilvl that will give you all this haste, and how many Monk healers at this ilvl actually are equipped so to make you do this? Well, when I say “you” I mean the US dev(s), and we do not want to shoot the messenger
So basically enveloping mist extensions are nerfed in M+ as you can no longer keep it up on the whole party and it’s a nerf to tank EM extensions if you ever extended it past 2 applications. You should still be able to keep 5 renewing mists on everyone though.
In raids EM healing is nerfed like it was and renewing mist is probably capped to 7/8 targets at best.
I think the EM capped to 5 and ReM capped to 8/10 would be a better nerf as it would be capped for raids while leaving M+ untouched but oh well. I guess it’s better than 2 sec rising mist.
Hope copy and pasting posts you should have read helps.
The trend continues past the top 100.
Irrelevant to the current tier, although I have already conceded several times that holy paladin was too strong in previous tiers, you just seem stuck repeating the same thing.
Rondakungfu is unable to make coherent arguments, instead they visit your profile to nitpicks about things, bring up unrelated issues and call you hpala zealot. Because there is nothing to defend about how MW plays. It needs to be fixed asap and I think this change does just that. I also thought 2 second extend was too much of a nerf, but this hits exactly where it needs to.
Whatever is not to your personal interest is irrelevant right?
No, clearly you do not undertand.
Did you make anywhere in the forums posts about requesting them?
I mean, just because you wrote 10 books here complaining about 100 monks that payed 10 million gold to set up a build, that doesnt mean with 1 sentece vs hpalas you are being realistic.
At least i tag someone when i talk to him and above all im not hiding behind another account to whine about a class while you play one of the game breaking classes for m+ 4 seasons now.
I didn’t even play BfA on a serious level, you simply need to zip it when it comes to bringing people’s profiles into discussion. You are just mad and its oozing from your every post. People can have valid opinions without playing a content, because streams are a thing. Its accessable to everyone.
Yes, and i will keep repeating the same things until you understand them.
Its highly biased towards Hpalas, they dominated whole xpc in output+ progress.
Monk dominated for 2months and got destroyed both in raiding and m+ as you see above.
When you participate in a threat and answer, expect that you will be answered back. If you dont like it, off the forums.
Last tier has nothing to do with current tier balance. What happened last tier is completely immaterial to the monk changes happening right now.
I don’t need to. This entire conversation started with you replying to me explaining to someone why this nerf was happening, I did not agree with the nerf or make my opinion known until you engaged with me.
Incorrect. I’m engaging in a conversation with you about monk healing. I can make my opinion about paladin healing known in one sentence or 500, doesn’t make a difference as long as you read it.
Not really, when you have a class dominating for 4 seasons, expect another one to be able to dominate it for more than 2 months. If you dont understand that, i will keep saying it again until you do.
Exactly because youre biased towards Hpala and its absolutely clear.
Still you whine about monks, droping 1 sentence about Hpalas doesnt make you less of a zealot lol
THESE ARE COOKED LOGS, DO YOU EVEN PLAY THIS GAME? YOU DONT NEED 800 HPS TOTAL TO DEFEAT A BOSS. NOT EVEN THE HALF NEEDED.
Look at the monk that needs to be nerfed output, then look his rest co-healers output. Then add them up. After this look at the DTPS (damage taken per second) then you will find groups that had the half DTPS BECAUSE THEIR LOGS WAS NOT COOKED UP
