My Feedback for Feral Shadowlands/Dragonflight

[Elsiriana-daggerspine]

Ferals M+ AoE rlly is bad friend, why cant blizz not balance every specc that is good in AoE and ST dps? Their ST is one of the best yes if the boss live long enough, so in general m+ is rlly based around AoE and ST dps so why have not balance every class that is decent in AoE and good in ST. Feral is rlly good in ST but rlly bad in AoE dmg.

[Razorchaos-argent-dawn]

@Крусейдар-soulflayer

if u want m+, go to balance

for 4 years straight now? how about no? cause im sick of playing stupid ranged i dont even enjoy but instead of solving the problem you try to point people to play ranged instead of melee we feral players enjoy imagine me telling you to go play a warlock if shadow was garbage in every aspect like utility or aoe and your best dps was st , put yourself in our shoes and then bash us to play most boring ranged ingame , if i wanted to play ranged class i would pick up a fire mage but i dont want to . instead of blizzard listening to feedback their excuses are white knights like you saying “go balance” how about no ? we feral players are tired of being treated like garbage for 4 years now , we want changes and forums exist to provide feedback but if you are bored and want to troll on my thread please leave , thank you

@Крусейдар-soulflayer

so stop whining

yeah says some random russian player i dont even care about , how about you focus your time on something smarter than wasting your time trying to troll , and do something more productive than drinking vodka

@Elsiriana-daggerspine

Ferals M+ AoE rlly is bad friend, why cant blizz not balance every specc that is good in AoE and ST dps? Their ST is one of the best yes if the boss live long enough, so in general m+ is rlly based around AoE and ST dps so why have not balance every class that is decent in AoE and good in ST. Feral is rlly good in ST but rlly bad in AoE dmg.

thank you for explaining this to him , because this guy probably got outdps by feral on st in raid and is mad trying to troll on the thread

[Крусейдар-soulflayer]

@Elsiriana-daggerspine

Ferals M+ AoE rlly is bad friend, why cant blizz not balance every specc that is good in AoE and ST dps? Their ST is one of the best yes if the boss live long enough, so in general m+ is rlly based around AoE and ST dps so why have not balance every class that is decent in AoE and good in ST. Feral is rlly good in ST but rlly bad in AoE dmg.

https://i.imgur.com/eU27ci5.png
man, i said, they have more useless class, than feral in +M. wanna aoe - go to balance. and yeah, blizzard was never good at balancing. it’s meme.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

we feral players are tired of being treated like garbage

no one cares about cats in +M. it’s raid spec. just deal with it, or reroll.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

yeah says some random russian player i dont even care about

that’s why u answer me, k mane.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

do something more productive than drinking vodka

kekw

[Razorchaos-argent-dawn]

Let’s get feral fixed , feral can get changes If we keep pushing, also ignoring the lifeless troll above me knowing hes doing me a favour keeping the post alive

If they can make primal wrath feel somehow impactful and buff it a little I think aoe problem can be solved

But speaking of utility nobody will tell me that’s hard to balance , if they can give resto and boomkin stampeding roar which was tied to feral and guardian I’m pretty sure that treants, innervate and baseline bash with bash being tied to feral affinity also leader of the pack baseline gg we are fixed

[Blackblod-mazrigos]

going to be honest im hoping they fix the spec , would be cool to see ferals in high end world first races or MDI , maybe cool aoe mechanic or utility they could give to feral

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

ut speaking of utility nobody will tell me that’s hard to balance

agree with you here i mean dks had no proper raid utility until SL which was AMZ or Windfury totem for enhancment shaman , really good example of spec unique utility is the shaman one or havoc dh darkness for example

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

If they can make primal wrath feel somehow impactful and buff it a little I think aoe problem can be solved

agreed aswell i had a friend pushing really high keys in bfa and primal wrath felt so impactful , old blood talons felt really good since you had more controll over them.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

innervate and baseline bash with bash being tied to feral affinity also leader of the pack baseline gg we are fixed

my fingers are crossed for you

[Dâan-blackhand (Dâan)]

@Elsiriana-daggerspine

Their ST is one of the best yes if the boss live long enough

Without Convoke, even the ST is really bad - and it’s a poor game design when a spec is that much dependent from a Covenant skill.

[Elsiriana-daggerspine]

Then you have only played with someone that doesnt know how to play with it

[Enumar-karazhan]

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Okay so i recently made a post about feral losing one of the best "oh s * hit " button Survival Instinct 2x 50% dmg reduction for 6 sec with Barkskin thats 20% dmg reduction only 1 charge and 4min cd

The damage is done. we have only 1x SI now. And even popping all defensives at once mostly isnt enough to cover a melee burst.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Okay il take that but remove rogue cloak or evasion their “oh s * hit buttons”
Remove demon hunter Blur and let them only have “darkness”
Remove divine sheild from ret and let ret only have Sheild of Vengance

Feral is the squishiest melee in game. Everyone knows it; but there is a secret hate against druids in game ; because we are a fantasy character i guess.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Rather be loud now and let them revert this BS change SI swap with Bark
or give us both
Feral needs passive bleed buff , give us more ulitly we lost “our strength” as Ion Hazzikostas would say we lost Roar which was tied to guardian and feral now all specs get it which makes feral even more usless and no reason to bring in mythic +

WE need mangle ; cat(% 30 bleed damage increase debuff) Also better combo builder damage as mangle.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Remove Leader of the Pack pvp talent and make it passive baseline so feral will be more competitive in Shadowlands in PvE and PvP content

Yes please. This could also solve a lot feral player’s problems to find a spot in raids or m+.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

What is absurd balance spec has typhoon as baseline and bash is still a talent for feral.

I think we shouldnt have typhoon as feral. And ıt should have never be allowed for ferals ,resto or guardian .

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Speaking of bash , bash got nerfed from 5 sec stun to 4 second stun which is absurd either keep it this way and reduce cd on bash and make it baseline or revert it back to live version

Cooldown is reduced with new conduit system; but 4 seconds is hardly a 2 skill to hit enemy.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Give us baseline vortex like you said at blizzcon , im happy with baseline cyclone but i would love to see nature’s swiftness . i would love to see incarnation nerf from bfa reverted back as it used to be so people have reason to pick incarn.

well, what i would like to see back is ; nature’s vigil, the thing that heals you and your party when u do damage .It would be awesome in pvp and pve.
ı 'm unsure bout the incarnation change back though. Even if the change is reverted; we dont do that much burst like we used to in past.(unless convoke)ı hardly think it would work in pvp.Maybe only 2v2s.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Give us baseline vortex like you said at blizzcon , im happy with baseline cyclone but i would love to see nature’s swiftness .

hmm . They said that? And they put into talents ? meh.
I would like to see it too. but i hardly think it’ll come back .I really, really want to see frenzied regen baseline for feral back too though.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Guardian does more damage than Feral on Alpha , Is this BFA all over agian?

Ferals are nearly non existant in pve. And Barely existant in pvp. We are like a ghost spec.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

These kind of ferals deserve to be rewarded in shadowlands for sticking with their main even tho it was so bad on start of bfa they made it alive at the end of it proving people feral can be competitive

ım one of those ferals. I even managed to snipe a ksm in previous patch. But man, it is so depressing that even though i out perform most of my player friends in groups ; damage wise we really need a correction.(roughly % 20 to 30 increased dps) I think mangle (Cat) can really solve this issue.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

I do not want to reroll other class just cause you don’t care about feral ,i rather vote with my wallet than go through another “BFA Uldir 0.5 times” when guardian and resto did more damage.

The most depressing thing is the average player’s response when they see you are playing a feral. Everyone is aware of the low performance of feral ; except game devs.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

You got enough time to act and other Feral players can agree with me here

Well, our main problem is ; we barely have public visibility as feral community.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Make Soul of the forest baseline passive and u got more choice for a talent tree row.

Sould of the forest is superior in that row because we have a terrible base energy regeneration.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Edit: And give us some utility baseline that no other druid spec has so we will bring something unique on the table .

Currently there is no reason to get a feral to a raid except combat res.And that can be done with other druid specs.
Pvp wise; we got heal reduction but lost a pvp talent slot.

WE NEED LEADER OF PACK BASELINE !

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

This expansion is supposed to be about unpruning the classes not pruning them harder

I feel weaker than bfa feral as a shadowlands feral now. Because we have no barrowed power buffs from gear or any other place now.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Update: What i would love to see in Shadolands

RENEWAL
make it baseline and increase its cooldown

I prefer frenzied regen instead of Renewal. Historically; and spec wise it is more suitable.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Savage Roar.
they can make savage roar work if they are smart and instead of increasing our damage it can increase our crit when we use it with energy regen. jungle fury and wildfresh rending should be passive baseline

I Would like to see savage roar as baseline ; and as a proc or a 10 sec combo builder. Would make much more sense.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Affinities
Just remove these restrictions and give all druids back rejuv , bear with enraged regen and treants ? so you can be any spec and use your actual druid abilites

I really, REALLY would love to get my lifebloom back as feral. I also agree with frenzied regen and other abilities.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

BERSERK
just make incarnation baseline with soul of the forest so they can get better ideas for talent row

They should give us both at this point tbh.Berserk is hardly a dps cooldown.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

SABERTOOTH
Back to being our 25% execute passive

I dont think we would need this if we get mangle(cat)back; but it would grealy help us in pve.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

REBIRTH
just make it instant cast like in legion , only guardians can instant rez which i find BS.

I also dont understand why it is specific to guardian only. Weird.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Innervate

i would love to have that so i would be taken in mythic + and healers would actually love me for innervate

okay so give us MoP class design back . since balance druid gets baseline typhoon and feral does not get bash baseline make it baseline for feral and guardian .

there is a talent row i think its 75 soul incarn and savage roar how about make all 3 baseline but savage roar reworked so it gives us crit by 30% when we use it increase energy regen by 50% since we are losing memory of lucid dreams .

and then they have a whole lvl 75 talent row free and think of what feral could have i would imo slap Nature’s swiftness , Treants and Heart of the wild like a utility row

In my pve encounters ;several times; i needed to correct my healers that ferals dont have innervate atm. Was such a facepalm moment tbh.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

and then they have a whole lvl 75 talent row free and think of what feral could have i would imo slap Nature’s swiftness , Treants and Heart of the wild like a utility row

I see what you mean. But several times i’ve read that blizzard wants ferals to be a more ‘‘controllable’’ class somewhat. Maybe thats why dont bring NS back to us also.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

i would also love to see incarnation have 30% damage increase if it was baseline so incarn would feel like an actual cooldown.

I think we have enough burst options in game. Main problems are the dps and utility.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Leader of the pack baseline but nerfed from 5% crit to 3% so ferals would be taken in more in high end content like mythic plus and highe end raiding

This should be on top of unpruning process.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Powershifting
can cast forms without GCD on top of them

I dont think this would be changed because of new GCD game system.But it would be welcomed i guess.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Bleeds
Need major buffs they need to increase bleed damage alot i want my bleeds to tick big like in mop when shred and bites were not our only damage
I know this sounds way way way overpowered but since what we went through in BFA being clowned by meta players and community i think we deserve to be broken on start til end of expansion.

You really need to read my old post here.My m+ 9.0 experience as Feral(feedback) - #4

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Level 35 Talent row in shadowlands

Bash Mass roots and Heart Of The WIld what the actual F
why would you put HotW there . fix this , make Mighty Bash baseline for Guardian and Feral Druid and put Mass Roots and you can put there something like Nature’s Swiftness which makes your cyclone,Hibrenate,Combat Rez instant cast and its a 2min Cooldown. I would also put Treants back from mop the ones that put 3 rakes on my target and whola new utility talent row.

We can already combo+root targets. ı dont even get why we have root option in the talents tbh.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Burst
We are the only melee in the game without any burst , we would love to have burst aswell.

Unless we are n.fae . Feral ‘‘burst’’ literally non existant.ıt is easily countered.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

Most common misconceptions in the Feral community – that we have no utility. NO! We have so much! We just don’t have any UNIQUE utility. That’s the problem here. Druid has 3 other specs and we need to compete against each of them. We’re supposed to have the same utility as other druids, right? Wrong! Balance and Restoration have Innervate, which we can’t access by any means. Balance has trees. We don’t. And on top of that they ALL get Stampeding Roar, in BfA a feature of Guardian/Feral, the best raid mobility cooldown in the game. Really? I feel it’s a joke. Give us something in return.

Well, i can combo heal. But that is hardly appreciated in game.Besides; it barely counts as a utility.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

The removal of energy reduction on berserk made it much, much slower. I mean, it’s supposed to be our big damage moment, right? But now I’m constantly pooling energy. „Hey, what are you doing there? Why are you auto attacking the boss during his vulnerable phase?” How should I answer? „Hey, I’m waiting, because I got tired… Just a moment, bitte”? I know it will get much better, the more secondary stats we get. With haste comes energy, with crit comes faster combo point generation. But for now? It’s too slow. I see other classes tossing whatever they have and I just… stand there, waiting, precious seconds pass… At the end I don’t make much use of it. Just because of energy. Why is it 3 minute cooldown then?""

No clue. I think berserk should be 1 min cooldown considering how trivial cooldown it is.

@Razorchaos-argent-dawn

This is what i wanted everyone to see how feral is , to open your eyes to see how bad we are in Shadowlands, we are not asking for much , we are not asking for rework or anything like that , but damage on bleeds that can be easy fixed , Unique spec utility and energy starvation problem mentioned above from the Us Forum posted. I want community to see the problems this spec has and i want people to help us be loud so they fix us. We are underplayed spec since its complex and in a bad state in Shadowlands we need to have a voice and i want community to help us Feral Druids.

Considering how we we are being lined up in dps tier list ; i think mangle(cat) would solve most of our dps issues as i mentioned above.

[Xechtinoch-darkmoon-faire]

@Enumar-karazhan

No clue. I think berserk should be 1 min cooldown considering how trivial cooldown it is.

…at least they could rename Berserk to “slightly angry” so that the name better matches the effect.

[Razorchaos-argent-dawn]

@Xechtinoch-darkmoon-faire

…at least they could rename Berserk to “slightly angry” so that the name better matches the effect.

at this point i agree…

[Kaliroses-argent-dawn]

should just atleast get rid of dead talents tho

[Marfushka-argent-dawn]

Yeah, Primal Wrath baseline, remove Scent of Blood and put 2 new ones there.

[Spasmgodx-ravencrest]

@Marfushka-argent-dawn

Yeah, Primal Wrath baseline, remove Scent of Blood and put 2 new ones there.

agreed maybe lower cd of berserk aswell from 3 min to 1.5min

[Dâan-blackhand (Dâan)]

Feral is btw the only spec that hasn’t timed any keys on +26 yet, and only very few on +25 and +24.

[Devøted-silvermoon]

@Dâan-blackhand

Feral is btw the only spec that hasn’t timed any keys on +26 yet, and only very few on +25 and +24.

They need to fix the spec sooner or later

[Dâan-blackhand (Dâan)]

They prefer to buff Frost Mage (one of the best m+ specs) rather than give some love to the Feral Druid.

[Razorchaos-argent-dawn]

I applied to wow community council so i can speak up about feral spec , since feedback has been ignored since bfa started , radio silence from devs , support me by keeping this thread alive and for hopes they change feral druids for the better , last time i saw a feral druid in WF race was WoD and mythic plus was in legion , how sad is this? they need to fix our problems to make feral great again

[Linygodx-ravencrest]

Pretty embarasing on devs side that they cant even balance classes , ww and fire mage ,rogues and boomkins 0 weaknesses good in everything even pvp , feral is only good for st and pvp , forget mythic plus and aoe and utility for your raid because every class can do what feral already does … embarasing for devs all i can say

[Malaalz-quelthalas]

I find it amusing how they struggle so much on feral, currently the main reason feral is okay at st and pvp is that bite is back but they can’t get the dots right so people can play the old dot build

But all other dot classes arm/afflic they perfectly can adjust… >>

[Xechtinoch-darkmoon-faire]

I think the main reason that Feral is okay on ST in PvE is how ridiculously strong Convoke the Spirits is, no? Is there any other covenant even remotely competitive in PvE?