NEW M+ System and Waitlist?

A solution exists. Hes in the top 0,1% of keypushers. He shoulda added some of them to his friendslist to try to push some with.

People arent against solutions, im personally against ones proposed that will do sweet bugger all.

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i agree that he could do it with a group but game gives him the option to pug it , it’s puggable , just hard to form a group with 0 balance between roles and as a dps , you need to keep an eye on it for almost half an hour which makes it unplayable considering most of the gorups gets disbanded and you queue again.

You can form pugs for everything, doesn’t mean it’s puggable. If I had a save for sark on mythic I could put up a group for mythic sark, do you think a pug would be able to do it?

peopl got to 3k with just pugging tho not the same thing. i’m just against the way it’s advertised , we all know it’s not possible to pug mythic raids but the same knowledge does not apply to dungeons . people expect to do 23s 24s with pug but when they reach that point it becomes a huge disappointment .

I don’t think you quite understand how often you run into the same people you’ve done or attempted keys with before once you go into higher keys, especially 3k range right now. It’s basically playing with people you know in a lot of cases. If you’ve not made a good impression or you just broke into that range of keys, you’re gonna struggle.

Like, people at 3k or above right now consists of roughly 700 characters, including people’s alts, across all of the European servers. A lot of them know each other.

i know it’s supposed to be the low percentage but if that’s the amount of players doing 23s and higher, that shows people just don’t want to push keys higher than a certain level and the whole forming a group part of the system is probably one of the reasons why some people decide to leave it at 20s. 700 chars doing the highest content is not good. many people only do the content for ksm and achievements anyway so we should start questioning why m+ is not fun for majority of players.

You need to be pretty good at the game to be doing the highest of keys. That’s why there’s so few doing those keys, there’s just not that many people good enough at the game to do keys at that level.

You also don’t really get a reward for it.

you get a title tho don’t you ? also yeah you’re right the percentage should be low but the amount of players is too low for it imo. it’s slowly turning into a thing people do to get a new limited time mount & achievements then quit till next one comes.

I think at 20+ more people have a dedicated team with Voice Chat on discord than trying to PUG.

Also as others have mentioned. There is no incentive to do it.

Aren’t most people raiding? Just open LFG. Tons of raid groups all day at every time of the day. Raiding is more fun than m+, but I’m not good at raiding sadly -.-

Or maybe people pointing out issues is a smart move.

Improvements are great but they have to actually improve the experience. Not leave you listed forever more.

Feedback is great because people don’t necessarily think of it from all angles

While I do agree that any improvement to the current LFR system is welcome, I dont agree with your reasons to do it.

IMO, the reason there are no M23 as PUG groups (or very little) is because its a level that requires coordination. And the few groups that do PUG in 23 or above are coordinated groups that need 1 DD punctually. And they take that knowing that they will basically carry that dude.

So the answer to your need is: Instead of wasting hours and hours of your time looking for a pug group, waste that time in looking for a CORRDINATED group if pushing high keys is what you wish.

Just imagine if it was Mythic raiding / high end PvP and you cant PUG it. The answer to that is: Look for a guild. Participate in the guild. Same thing with high end M+

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Personally I think it would help a lot if we could specify a filter range for the key level so we don’t have to refresh that often for the listings. Other than that I have no special wishes.

Finding a quality guild where you feel welcome is sadly not that easy these days. There is so often a tiny thing that can ruin your reputation within a guild as a new member.

“All it needs is one bad day” as the saying goes.

Hm? You can search for Uldaman 15-18 to filter like that, or 20-20 to show only 20 keys (if you do only 20, it will show 19-21). Do you mean something else?

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Do I need an addon for that or how do I use that filter function?

Just type it in the Searchbar.

Does it need a specific formatting in text?

You can kinda copy what Yeetheart wrote and just replace the Dungeonnames and Key levels, it should pretty much only show you the dungeon + key range.

Key range being one above or below the one you’re looking for.

You have no idea how much you improved the game for me now with this tip. Serious thanks!

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