but considering how Blizzard design content, people proberly feel like they have to pick the meta
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Unless you are aiming for mythic raiding or high mythic+ I don’t think it matters that much.
You are probably gonna have a harder time in pugs, but there are casual guilds and communities that don’t care about meta that will gladly have you.
The problem with the content in shadowlands is due to mechanics of the bosses and not really the players output.
Though players use high output to try and skip as many mechanics as possible instead of learning to do the mechanics correctly.
If it was the issue of output then gear would solve it down the line, but it is the random mechanics that wipe the raid if you fail that has been the issue.
It’s partly blizzards fault but mostly a problem with the community that only want the best of the best for relatively easy content.
Every spec can do +15 yet mostly the meta specs gets picked because it makes it super easy.
Mmmmh, this might be a case of ‘what came first; the chicken or the egg’.
I think the devs have been creating more demanding content as the years went on, because the playerbase keeps on becoming more and more focussed on min-max performance and addon-fueled proficiency.
You think this, but with people of unpleasance, the truth is you will wait forever to have an opinion. They will never accept it. So, speak your mind any time appropriate, take valid criticism from those who hear you, ignore those who do not hear you.
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That’s because you’re playing the game for fun and not as a job or for some internet points.
Many modern WoW players have a singular mindset which is easily influenced by other players and online content (guides/streams/vids etc) which tells them things like bis gear or meta setups are the only way to achieve success or even have fun in the game.
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WoW players have never got over not being meta, rather sad.
What content are you making your non-meta builds ‘work’ in, out of curiosity?
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Players are always voicing concerns early.
It’s just that there are lot of shills trying to dismiss it for it being “feedback too soon” or “it doesn’t affect me” and then also Blizzard not responding to it and keeping it as it is.
Yes, this is absolutely the worst for Druids which are so unique that Balance and Feral have basically nothing incommon and you never want what the other spec has. Not reasonably, especially if you were to sacrifice DPS.
I’m not playing what’s meta.
But choosing between utility and damage feels bad.
Look up my videos. I play with Arcane Mage as Convoke Feral. For Mage the meta comp is Outlaw + Fire and for Feral it’s Jungle and Feral is supposed to be Necrolord.
But it has it’s advantages.
But there’s a difference between choosing what kind of utility you have (like Phial, Soulshape, Door of Shadows), or what kind of damage profile you have (Convoke, Swarm…) AND between having to choose between utility and throughput (“do i want convoke or do i want soulshape”?)
Not only that, but lot of things got prunned and are locked behind boring 3-point talents you’d never want to pick. It just makes the decision to get it back simply costlier for no good reason.
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Same with resto. The setup we have now is not possible at all. They are gutting talents.
My guess is we will have to wait and see for the real impact of their experiment. And an exeriment it is indeed.
So what you’re saying is that the talent trees are like the classic ones… exactly as people have been asking for, for years?
Well not entirely i guess, there are more basic abillities to pick… but we also have more points for it since we dont have any of the silly talents gain 1% crit where we can throw in 5 points.
You mean, like the “meaningful choices” we had in SL with covenants ?
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I am not saying that since i never played classic 
But i am fine with the new talent trees. I just think they are for me not more or less interesting than the current talentsystem.
I am happy when other people are happy it is. But i personal do not really seem to care that much.
That’s fair.
Personally they seem fine to me… its not like we certainly get all new classes… but i like the look of some of them… especially BM and Balance. I feared for less, but hoped for a bit more… so that the first draft is ok is a good sign for me.
I do think that a lot of the hate is because people expected all new classes more or less.
About the new hunter survival talents I really love them.
That is not true. In classic, most abilites you bought. Only a few you get through talent tree. Most talents was improvement of abilites, like reduced cost. Higher crit chance etc
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Yes.
“We have to wait to see if covenant not being swappable will be unfun, you haven’t tried it yet, you cannot know”.
I can know.
I did before.
I do now.
I absolutely agree there are people who cannot foresee these.
But it’s not my case and probably not yours either.
They judge us by themselves being incapable of knowing what they like.
And also you could pick talents more freely.
Not only “pick this talent 3/3 if you want to pick another one, you like”.
To get Berserk in Classic, you’d not have to pick any single specific talent. You have to spend points somewhere in that tree sure, but not on small number of specific talents.
If you want to get Feral Frenzy in Dragonflight talents, you have to pick 11 DIFFERENT SPECIFIC TALENTS. Every person having Feral Frenzy will have to have these same 11 talents. That’s more than 3rd of your tree. 12 talents spent to get Feral Frenzy. And then you can choose where to put rest 18 (also restricted in many ways however).
You chose one thing and 12 talents points are gone.
That’s equivallent of having current talent rows reduced to less than 3 rows.
It’s just another hardcore prunning.
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yep.
I think classic/tbc way of doing a talent tree is better. Maybe they have done it this way, because of the amount of talent points. Maybe remove some of the skills from the talent tree, and just remove the amount of talent points you get
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No. You’re being judged ‘incapable of knowing what you like WITHOUT HAVING TRIED IT FIRST’.
You know… the same argument your mom used to give you when you were a little kid and went ‘I don’t like this’ when you got something new to eat without even having taken a bite.
And I’m not saying you can’t already form an opinion based on the information you’ve seen so far; that’s fine. But you don’t ‘know’.
That’s 1 specific case. One that they’ll very likely address in a future build. They’re already addressing similar issues and making statements that some things will be changed.
I don’t have to try stuff to judge whether it’s bad.
Maybe you do, but an intelligent person doesn’t have to.
I haven’t ever tried stabbing myself in the eye with a fork. Yet I am capable of knowing I’d not like that.
Why don’t you try never responding on this forum?
Or maybe not. I am giving feedback, so they know what to address.
They haven’t adress a lot of stuff even after release. I believe not saying anything and expecting to be magically figured out by them without feedback is straightforward idiotic.
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Stupid example.
Anyway… An actual intelligent person would reserve judgement. So there’s that.
So make of that what you will.
Why would I do that?
I’m not at all suggesting to not say anything.
But there’s a HUUUUUGE difference between claiming ‘the impending apocalypse is coming because this system is a complete disaster’ and pointing out parts of said system that you think are problematic/flawed or could just use work. I have done the latter myself. 