Without wanting to throw my guildies under the buss, but this is how fast it is for a lot of player to get even to 626, since they still are not.
But it also shows how easy +10’s are in the claimed 616.
I didnt look far. Just the first +10 i could find. Yesterday; https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-tww-1/14980930-10-city-of-threads
Last week; https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-tww-1/12618591-10-the-necrotic-wake
Yeah, we are even talking about a guildgroup, on voice.
Of course i can shout to them ‘git gud’.
I am not saying 10’s are overtuned. I am saying it is harder to get gear right now. That is just where the loot is.
When you reward myth track from +8 it is easier to get than when it is on +10.
You are saying that I should look at the cutoff and see if its easier… Easier compared to what? Because you then mentioned DF S2 and S3 but when I said you compared you said you weren’t and I was just assuming…
So you going back and forth does confuse me.
Should I compare the cutoffs with S2 and S3 or should I not? And if I shouldn’t the cutoff makes no sense.
I didn’t. Just stop reading my posts. You completely wreck my message with asuming so much and trying to connect things that should not be connected. You cant just read without fantasizing extra stuff. I am done.
Its a matter of focusing what you wanna do, on my druid i did not try to push 10, i aimed at getting quickly geared fast.
Of course it depend from how much you can play but my point still stand.
Aka hero gear is more than enough for 10s.
What should this prove exactly?
Both group are 10 ilvl below hero gear cap.
You still finished the key wihich means you still get myth, and thus upgrade.
Idk how those people play so whats the point?
I said i wanna see them play. In the sense that of course keys will fail, mistakes happen. Tuning issues are not mistakes tho.
Tuning issue is literally mechanics not being survivable/doing too much damage for the gear they should be done with DESPITE the group playing decently (not perfectly).
A 620 group taking an extra hour in necrotic wake did not play decently that is for sure.
That does not mean you should shout “get good” to them but your friends are not a benchmark for saying dungeon are not tuned with hero gear in mind.
Well sorry not sorry for not knowing a 626 streamer.
And obviously it is a skill issue. But we actually have to acknowledge how ducking good we are at the game. And not just shout from our ivory tower “skill issue git gud”.
In DF we got higher gear from doing lower content. It is what it is.
It was obviously hyperbolic, in the sense that it is obvious that a 626+ group failing 10s isnt caused by 10s being tuned for 639 people.
I am not shouting anything. You are repeating this thing over and over but none said anything about that.
Your friends are still closing 10s while still missing 10 ilvl in hero upgrade while still getting myth track along the way.
And even in DF people still got left out cause at a certain point you need to strike balance between leaving something challenging and make it accessible.
You literally do?? But how does that cutoff tell me how easy it is? Thats the thing you can’t explain to me… (and remember no comparing to previous seasons! That was your words!) But sure, you saying opposing things are not the problem its me xD Lol
Glad to see you still don’t have an argument that holds.
Your whole argument builds on you wanting to overgear +10s so much that you can easily clear them on alts you don’t know how to play to farm myth track gear…
On your main you call +10s “VERY easy” and you even admit, that this does not count for alts, because you are “500 times better on your main”… But for some reason instead of then going “if I learned how to play my alts, the gear wouldn’t be an issue” (Like it isn’t) you call for system changes and doom the season going “I gave up on alts!” because you can’t steamroll +10s…
At some point you really just need to stop yelling “Omg we can’t just yell git gud!” and actually consider learning your alts, since that is obviously the difference (Your words).
But case closed. It is clear by your arguments and your references you just want the gear to carry you and get myth track loot on alts instead of actually progressing your skills.
Obviously. But it was easier to get gear. Like i just runned on my healing alts 1 +8 key from the start of the season for that hero track vault. That difficulty right now isn’t even in the game. Sure we have delves, so that is sort of the substitute, i assume? I actually never tried to get groups for delves on my alts. They are terrible for solo healer, so i am not really doing them.
Blame other players. Be the change.
Make groups yourself and ask for normal ilvls.
Start blacklists of players who make stupid requirements for joining.