We start now at +12 since 1-11 is removed. But somehow +8 in DF is unbelieveable.
Week 1 is 99 weeks ago. Runned up to +10. https://raider.io/characters/eu/argent-dawn/Tsjoh?season=season-df-1
Too lazy to search for the first dungeon. At least a timed +10 in week 97. But to be fair; the char was also weeks later leveled. https://raider.io/characters/eu/argent-dawn/Psjohly?season=season-df-1
It is baffling indeed. Just stop with your nonsense. You dont want to understand. You only search for clashes.
DF season 1 we had completely different loot rewards. Crests and geartracks didnt even exist.
what you dont get is that 626 gear does not drop.
610 gear drops.
on alts you dont farm crests.
610 is not even enough to get invited to +8s if you are not healer or tank
i do.
on my tank i just ran my own keys and invited just the first 4 people with decent rio, never really cared about ilvl
for fun.
i dont like to heal always on thr same class and just want to run a dungeon here and there on another spec.
i dont have the time to farm 100 dungeons on an alt unfortunately but i dont like to heal +2-6 because they are incredible unfun. they are easy but players make them unbearable how bad they are. they are more often failed keys than 8 or higher…
in df it was simply better and more fun, so why dont keep the fun season and replace it with one of the most unfun seasons.
at least now +8s are chill again at least on fortified
What?.. Of course, because you have to upgrade them? That goes for all of the tiers?
I do get it… But it makes 0 sense to call 626 gear “useless” when it’s well enough for high end content.
My alts would really beg to differ. You can also run your own keys. But of course, when there is 500 dps players qued up, people tend to go with the biggest dude
Heeeeell no… DF was a nightmare for alts… Trying to get a group for +3 or a +5 was impossible… People wouldn’t even do your +13 or +14… It was a long nightmare of just waiting around… Hence why they did the whole squish… Too many redundant key levels… What people seem to forget when comparing is, people didn’t start off doing +12’s… In TWW it felt like people wondered why they couldn’t do +2 straight after Heroic dungeons.
We are over 1 month in, and we have people clearing very high levels… Next patch introduces higher ilvl gear in form a ring too… Wait towards the end, then we’ll most likely see people farming 10s like candy. Juuuust like we saw how 20s became super easy in DF towards the end
Your statement is weird… 610 is enough for +10s but not people. That has nothing to do with the dungeons but all to do with the playerbase
So? You get high end gear, and progress through lvling the gear up. While you do so, you get a chance for myth track in vault and crafted 636 gear.
Seems very solid.
Look at the threads wanting the system changed. They want the slow progress and learning curve.
And as a dps you are not getting invited instantly to +11s and your key has to start somewehere And dont tell me we didn’t spend a ton of time in DF farming +11s for crest / gear xD
yea sure find ways to make the game playable instead of making the game actually playable.
i want to login and play, not looking for people externally to play the game.
it worked fine for the last several expansions until they trashed the system.
yikes man, how often do i have to explain that nobody has time to play 100 dungeons on every alt.
it is fine to do that on 1 char over several months
who wants that?
all i see are threads that everyone hates this difficulty and gate keeping of myth gear.
heck even blizz reduced the gilded crest accessability. they just failed to move the vault also to a lower level.
i rarely play dps because i dont have time to wait to play.
and no, i did not spend tons of time to farm crests in 11s on alts because i geared them with myth gear from vaults over many weeks. i did not farm any 11s on my alts nor did i farm 18s, i just did a weekly +18 key to get vault and did my 8 or more dungeons on my main char
You really don’t have to play “every alt” … Gearing is easy, 610 should be doable to do high end content. So again, I feel like Im repeating myself. Hero gear is good, if you keep going “i want to log in and be accepted!! TRASH SYSTEM!” its on you.
I play most of my alts at around +10 not really putting in a lot of time
Literally wrote it in the quote.
Again… “me me me me” the YOU play healer. But the DPS are there. So again, the whole “omg who even does +3’s? just go instant +11 and then +18 lol” doesn’t really help out the reality of dps players
it was more than fine.
every one could be easily carried in a +20 so that it was fine to have 1 bad player in the group which made weeklys much more bearable.
yadayada.
show me how you get any invites to a +10 in 610 gear.
i barely get any invites with 623 ilvl and 2.4k+ rio on my healer.
you are full of it.
and i want to login to instantly play worked fine the last expacs. so again, they broke the system for easy pugging because most people just are too bad to play 10s which affects me because the just only want to inv overgeared people.
again, it worked fine before and i jumped to +11 and +18s just fine with my dps alts.
it does help out the dps players because now dps player will get 0 groups if the didnt nolife the first 2 weeks.
hardly.
because df lfg was full of groups doing their weekly stuff on alts. easy to spot from main rio.
no if anything you see some alts in +7s or 8s. but that is because now +8s got quite easy after the nerfs. But 8s are just fro crests and doesnt let you really catch up thanks to the massive myth upgrade track that they put in.
you have your opinion but it is quite clear that people hate the m+ change compared to df.
2 months in the season? Not really… We had the same threads in earlier expansions… Towards the end of the season? Yeah, because everyone and their pet was well overgeared.
You can yadayada all you want My lock and mage sits at 613 and 609 both have already done their weekly +10… I have it easier on my healers.
Nah… We had the same issues there, with the same threads… Difference is, all the filler lvls were dead.
But sure, come and tell me how many people did keys in DF
Even the “beloved perfect DF season 2” had vastly fewer keys done weekly.
Go to the normalized slide, and you will see TWW season 1 going in and out of the top spot for most keys run weekly… But sure. Dps were so fine before and now they struggle! They all sit afk, with no keys being run…
Fun when you talk out your behind instead of looking at the facts right?
Look at the graph… Reality WAS different. Just because you hate the system, doesn’t change the fact that there are millions of keys being done weekly with DF season 2 at this point of the season were barely scraping 1 million…
They also hated the old system… The reward tracks may feel off, but that’s because people want to finish 7 weeks in and complain they can’t get myth track fast enough even though they barely go above a +10.
My lock and mage sits at 613 and 609 both have already done their weekly +10… I have it easier on my healers.