PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 3)

You are right but for a role-player it really feels like a huge drain to pretend there is any continuity to a world where writers are just pulling evil factions out of their wizard hat

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Oh, don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to excuse it or say it’s not an issue.

It absolutely is. It’s tiring, frustrating, and just terrible writing/worldbuilding which I wish would Cease™.

But the horrors persist, and so must we,

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A quote from the same man who made the draenei blunder two or three years later because “he forgot.”

I think apologising and owning up to a blunder shows character.

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It shows character, but the blunder still happened due to an absence of being painstakingly anal, making that statement a falsehood only a year or two after it was made.

Blizzard’s always been sloppy about the lore, regardless of their statements.

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True. But also, the RPG, for all the richness of its worldbuilding, is full of inconsistencies and mindlessly transplanted D&D-isms that just don’t fit the Warcraft setting.

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May I ask for some examples, as someone that only knows the RPGs on a surface level?

The blog Ramses Reviews has reviews of individual books of the first and second edition RPG.

First edition core rules: https://ramses-reviews.blogspot.com/2012/03/warcraft-role-playing-game.html

Second edition core rules: https://ramses-reviews.blogspot.com/2012/06/warcraft-core-rules-ii.html

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I think bare thighs give you massive Holy Light Ressurection abilities. That’s why all their female members wear the red mageweave set. Thicc thighs actually do save lives.

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Blizzard approaches “tension” in the Alliance as a pretty farcical notion of borderline comedy relief characters being up to no good. At a glance you’d think they’re taking inspiration from stuff like Terry Pratchett’s Discworld but even being works of comedy and satire, they still portray riot mobs, wars, racism and bigotry with a very dark undertone that Blizzard has become literally incapable of approaching.

And I don’t understand why, they can’t still be mired in the belief that writing capable antagonists for your setting makes you a bad person.

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The devs wish they could write half as competently, and consistently, as Sir Terry did…

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Because capable antagonists would imply something different than things for the heroes to kill. They would have to win big at least every once in a while, sometimes in the way that isn’t looking like merely a setback for the forces of good, they would have to be represented as something that can be lived as a part of, and sometimes not too badly, rather than just a bunch of mobs in the contested zones, and most importantly, any competent villain would have reasons to do evil, or even a genuine alternative to the current situation, one the heroes might want to support despite the narrative. The first and only time our choices were supposed to matter, with the Horde civil war and the eye of N’Zoth in BfA, showed us that they can’t make several different routes even to the same outcome, not to mention making them sensible or interesting. And they won’t be able to either, not without basically making a brand new game where the factions and a few major characters aren’t permanently in the spotlight at the cost of the rest of the world.

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New short story!

Personally not a big fan of Faerin Lothar, not really against her either. I will give it a read, though!

This also annoyed me with the Primalists, who just came out of hammerspace with big numbers across many different races in the Dragonflight pre-patch, and yet they were pretty much Twilight’s Hammer 2.0, except back in Cataclysm we had evidence of the Twilight’s actively recruiting in the major capital cities through Doomsayers and the like. Meanwhile the Primalists just spring out of nowhere. It might have been prudent to have either Raszageth flying over Stormwind and Orgrimmar to bellow out their rhetoric after she is freed by Kurog Grimtotem and a handful of his followers at the Forbidden Reach to try and win people over to the Primalist cause, or something like having Kurog Grimtotem in Orgrimmar and someone like Koroleth in Stormwind causing an uproar through grandstanding to win over people to the Primalist way, then you can justify how many there are. But, no, they just… Show up with no explanation beyond needing some bad guys to smash. Bleh.

(Also Kurog was woefully under-utilised before his death :pensive: )

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Good Tauren, Bad Tauren.

All fodder for the Altar of the Badly Written…

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I mean you couldn’t even call it writing when it comes to Tauren.

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instert Baine sitting on the floor for another year

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“True wisdom is knowing what is right and sometimes it’s doing nothing at all” - Yu’lon

In the new Stromgarde storyline I am a bit confused by Danath Trollbane remark regarding Thoradins Wall. Actually I think a lot of us have forgotten this, but the wall is facing towards Arath Highlands rather than Hillsbrad. It’s actually more of a wall to keep Stromgarde out of Lordaeron due the rampart access being in the Hillsbrad side.

Of course this wall was supposed to be built during the Arathor Empire which makes it weirder - as Stromgarde was the capital still. So uh, why did they build in a way that exposed the capital to the open, rather than include it?

Admittedly I am not a huge Thoradins Wall lore expert, but if I recall the wall was largely a mysterious landmark in vanilla forward. Later on it was claimed to be built during the Arathor days.

If I was to hazard a guess I imagine the original design behind it was to mimic Hadrians Wall, due to it thematically walling off a highland area. I wonder if it was supposed to just have been a Lordaeron creation originally in the design notes?