Novel idea: no more babysitting of blond guys by the players until they figure out which way the Light shines best for them
and no more “this ancient yet unknown isolationist people just popped up!” storylines
both of these get put onto the high shelf alongside the word “Enough!” as an exclamation by itself
I think this would improve things.
Also ban the words “cosmic”, “order” and “void” from vocabulary for 5 years minimum
While there’s not many people in the world I would genuinely wish harm on - and Golden is not one of those people - I wouldn’t be opposed to her running afoul of a witch and being cursed so that whenever she sat down to write something, her mind completely drew a blank. That’s it. I don’t want to make her illiterate or take away her love of literature, just… Please, stop writing.
I get that she can’t do anything about Arator’s pedigree, that was decided long ago by Blizzard writers. But lumping on that he had the attention of the Regent Lord, and a priestess-turned-postergirl Blood Knight, and is friends with a high ranking member of the Illidari, it’s just too much.
Also I have said it before and I’ll say it again: the tats, the hair, the goatee, he looks like he’s going to a Kid Rock gig.
Poor Telaryn, normally he comes in with his facts and people calm down…
This time however people are so agitated it only made it worse.
We still love you and your encyclopedia knowledge tho, Telaryn!
Only if the word is followed by “Magic”
maybe one should learn to read the room and stop being such an apologist for dogwater writing under the pretense of ‘akshually i know a lot more about the lore than u do so ur wrong’
Telaryn’s opinions are fine. I disagree with great deal many of them, but they are neither dogwater or apologist. He’s trying to see the positives where the rest of us have a hard time seeing any- And while I don’t necessarily understand how that’s the case, I do not doubt his sincerity.
And the best/worst part is (depending on your POV), he is probably having a lot more fun than people dooming over this. Myself included.
Ultimately it doesn’t really matter whether something is a retcon or not, whether it’s doomsaying or w/e, I think the proof is in the pudding: A lot of people feel very apathetic about the writing. It’s not living up to their expectations, which is a perspective I agree with.
Rather than arguing whether something is feasible in lore or has presedence or w/e, I think it is a much better question to ask “Is there a better way to do this thing”, to which I think almost everyone, including mr. Telaryn could say “yes”.
The question then becomes how do we hold Blizzard’s storywriters and devs accountable for writing good narratives, rather than leaving them as a second-hand slop.
We bully them on social media until they stop tellng us their processes. Living in an ignorant bliss is preferable to knowing they don’t use their lore people.
I think, sadly, proof is once again in the pudding that the devs will do what the hell they want, and ya boo sucks to the rest of us/players, regardless of how coherent or well meaning an argument might be presented.
I’ll still play Midnight, I’ll enjoy the hell out of Housing, and new Sillymoon, and RP as always. And if that’s good enough, then that’s good enough, even if I don’t like the rest (which I will try and ignore lol)
QT and Zul Aman are looking great. And RP had in there will hopefully be the same.
I am still waiting for the 4th civilian set ingame blizz. Where is it.
that’s what being an apologist means
good for him dude, but it’s a bit of a lowbrow argument since people can also enjoy dunking on blizzard’s continued stupidity (what else is there to do?) and it’s silly to assume which side wins the fun contest
Give us ALL the civilian sets, devs, or else*
.*(else I will sulk 
)
We’re missing 5th+6th too. And they just happened to be the most interesting looking ones from the preview…
Yeah, atleast the 5th and 6th have some parts available and some exclusively on npcs, which make it atleast SLIGHTLY possible to appear.
Whereas number four? The big 4? The croptop, hood and skirt? Nowhere to be seen.
I feel like you have a dogwater take about Telaryn and his intentions. Also he just states what he knows. Its not like he forces you to use what he knows about Warcraft lore in your RP or anything. So maybe take it chill on someone who just likes Warcraft and its lore?
Wish they would make actual useable models for the Suramar NPC sets aswell! Some of those sets are awesome, but unavailable for us, players 
lol? nowhere did I say that he does that or that I feel like I’m being forced to listen to anything that he says, I’m not really part of the club who considers him to be some all-knowing lore guru.
he’s free to like and enjoy it just as I am free to poke fun at him trying to defend terrible and sloppy writing, I’m sorry this seems to upset you so much but it is what it is
or is it not terrible and sloppy anymore?
Given that the reaction to story news on this forum from people who complain about it usually is something along the lines of “Relieve me of this suffering, please!”, I find it hard to believe that they’re enjoying the experience more than those who are fine with story of Midnight.
People who enjoy taking a piss out of something bad usually don’t react that way.
On the subject of Anduin, it’s confirmed that he returned to Stormwind City at some point during the War Within, though he didn’t reclaim the throne. Not sure if it’s been mentioned before now, but here’s a hard confirmation at the very least.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G49F9MjaUAAZnXL?format=png&name=900x900
Arator saying Turalyon is too rigid for the ‘fluid and flexible nature of politics’ and ‘rubbed the common folk the wrong way’ seems at odds when we were last told he was popular with the nobles (for the former part) and the soldiers (for the latter - soldiers tend to be pretty common).
I wonder if Arator or Shaw was wrong. Given it was Shaw the Useless saying Turalyon was popular…maybe Arator is right.
People who are good military leaders popular with soldiers being kinda unpopular politicians is not at all unusual.