So, would you argue having a toggle to hide turning voidy would ruin the fantasy for you, granted it’s an optional toggle. You’d still get the proc just not display it. Would that be game breaking, if you can still use it and others could choose not to?
1 Like
I like my void elf. I just dislike the randomness of the racial in my particular case. If its a power the Void Elf Controls, like their lore says, let me control it.
But in this case im arguing for roleplay option for HE, if that was an option, done in a way that does not affect VE at all.
I would prefer the HE as standalone, because it implies starting area, racials, mounts and extra costumizations.
It would be making it so that void elves were not 100% of themselves.
Void elves should remain void elves.
If there are things that void elves can get that work for them and work for high elf fans then that’s great.
But it shouldnt be adding things for high elf fans that don’t add on to the void elf experience.
Basically, I dont want non canon options on them.
1 Like
So would you argue then the addition of High Elves as a stand alone race would be a better option.
As I like to circle back to the Draenei example of them have Man’ari options. Which would be in conflict with gift of the Naaru turning fel. It should still be light themed according to your stances on it.
1 Like
While I dont want high elves as their own stand alone race because thats the most clone race that ever cloned, it would be preferable to sharing void elves with people that want to see them go a completely different direction.
2 Likes
I’m glad you are honest about voicing your opinion. 
1 Like
I still think this is a shallow argument - the whole “race fantasy” once was a strong argument, but… just look at retail now. Almost everyone can be a Death Knight, Night Elves (and their players), once known for their (historical) dislike of arcane energy, have come around and can be mages, undead archers and Demon Hunters. Huge creatures with hooves like Tauren and Draenei can be rogues, we have prominent undead Light users and Tauren can be warlocks - even Lightforged Shadowpriests and Death Knights are possible.
They already sacrificed “race fantasy” for the sake of player’s choice, so why stop now, with Void Elf Paladins on the horizon? Hell, I can play a literal demon Paladin with the man’ari, including a fel sigil racial. Man’ari don’t “enhance” the Draenei race fantasy, for thousands of years, they were basically all the Draenei are not - all that they feared and literally considered “abominations”. Those who argue that they do have story ties and want to repent, a similar thing goes for the HE and VE - they share a love for their old home and want to protect it, after all, they come from the same place.
tl;dr
Please stop acting like the HE-issue is a question of “diluting the Void Elf fantasy”, when there are far more prominent examples in the recent lore. “Quel’dorei would be too similar to the Sin’dorei” is a justified and legitimate argument against alliance High Elves, there just is no need to construct some articifal case like "Adding more uncorrupted options is detrimental to the VE fantasy, especially with Alleria around.
Just give ranger tatoos to the HE. If a combat proc is enough of a difference, a permanent tattoo should be more than enough. Some people will disagree with me, since we are not a hive mind, but I would make them beefier. I like to think my HE would be from a lodge.
The high elf fan base has different people with different goals.
Some would be happy with a glyph and call it a job done.
Others wont be happy until they get a whole lot of customisation like elegant hair and blue tattoos.
Others wont be happy unless they get new voice lines and blood colour changes.
A glyph wouldn’t end the requests for high elf fans (as a collective) to get more out of void elves.
Sure, hence why its believe that having HE as a race is the better option.
1 Like
Even that wouldn’t end anything. Because if they were implemented like an allied race. Without the Staring Zone, Capital etc. there will still be complaints from those that believe the High Elves are the “Real Deal” while Blood Elves are corrupted betrayers of the proud traditions.
1 Like
I have a better idea. How about we merge the remaining High Elves into the Blood Elves and Void Elves and fully end the topic right there.
And, similarly, I am adamantly opposed (as are so many others) to a core Horde race being duplicated.
Now I am satisifed based on what we have learned since the reveal that that duplication is not going to happen. The developer whose comments indicate they aren’t coming, the fact there isn’t a Horde equivalent which would be required, the very fact they haven’t been announced in the most elf expansion of them all.
So that leaves them ruining the core Void Elf fantasy, which is on the one hand possible but on the other hand, a completely ludicrous suggestion at the same time.
Basically, both paths are pretty much closed. They’ll be tossed the classic+ bone next September at Blizzcon (which I am attending, so that will be fun).
They literally cited the importance of core race fantasies in their hearthsteel justification post.
High Elves can be transformed into Void Elves as we speak. If they want that as their back story there is nothing stopping them save the desire to not be a Void Elf.
In other words, the core race fantasy of the Blood Elves would have to be sacrificed too.
And of course, the success of any one of those would encourage the others to keep pushing. Nothing will ever be enough, it’s a slippery slope until they destroy the Void Elf core race fantasy in the name of their own wants disguised as player choice.
They made their choice when they chose Void Elf.
How do the Maghar orcs start?
1 Like
And this is why i dont even take what he says into account. The hyperbole is off the charts. Pure unadulterated nonsense. Back to the naughty box were i can just ignore the inane arguments.
2 Likes
Why would you assume that? It’s like some people want to go ad-hominem, want to generalize and shoot against communities or fandoms. Of course, there are people among the HE crowd who just want to be spiteful and gleeful against BE players, because for them it’s about saying “Ha, I was right in the end!” - just like you find people here who are very commited to tell that to the HE supporters. Or they have a mindset like Erevien/Numriel with a “I’ll just keep repeating what I want and not really debate or argue!” - there are always some people like that.
A large portion of the HE crowd seems to be quite happy with the VE compromise. Still, some of them, including me, are hoping / asking for more Alliance HE customization and story. Why? Because Blizzard once made them a part of the Warcraft story and is still keeping them around. If they wanted to end that debate, all they needed to do is to make the remaining High Elves merge into the BE or VE.
How does it improve their theme and lore to give Alleria a new model that still looks like a High Elf? Blizzard is creating these precedents by keeping them around. Had they just redesigned Alleria in Umbric’s style or had the Silver Covenant join the Ren’dorei, people would have much less examples to use in a debate. Why are we not debating these intentional decisions by Blizzard?
And literally made Demon Paladins playable - soon even Void Paladins(?). You can’t just use the argument selectively when it furthers your case.
That’s a slippery slope. People are not asking for the Blood Elves to be removed, but for Alliance High Elves to be playable.
I’d argue the majority here in favor of playable Alliance HE would be quite happy with an Allied race that lives scattered and doesn’t have their own city. Any HE fan should be aware of their story and that they are basically remnants among remnants.
2 Likes
I would love to keep going but my day off is at an end, and I have other matters to attend.
Have a great day everyone.
1 Like
I mean yeah, that likely still be on the table. How many times in the last version of the topic whenever the attempts to show differences between Quel’dorei and Sin’dorei we went through the same “Fel corrupted” debacle?
1 Like
Umm 5000 post long part 1 and the other topic that was also made. I lost count how many times the whole “Blood elves are irreversibly corrupted by Fel” was brought up as the distinction during its course. I’m also aware of the High Elven lore. They all consider Silvermoon their birthright and don’t exactly accept the exile with some like Umbric and Alleria openly declaring their will to take it back by force and bringing their race “redemption” by joining alliance whether they want to or not. Considering how people reacted by the fact they can look like High Elves (though still Void Elves) it’s easy conclusion to arrive to.
1 Like
Well, it’s one thing that separated Quel’dorei from Sin’dorei, even though the “irreversible”-part is wrong, of course.
Not all of them, there are even Quel’dorei NPCs in the beta who actually contradict that claim:
https://i.gyazo.com/c888a6fe1df2fa87b88860e0bbf8f6d3.pnghttps://i.gyazo.com/c7881c75b8cc0f48aa02c4460f810c60.pngRegarding Umbric, in his POV, the hostility is justfied, because he was exiled - even though they had a very good reason to do so.
Regarding Alleria, she only returned in Legion and had basically missed everything that happened in Warcraft 3, everything her people went through. A High elf, fallen out of time.
As far as I remember, the decision to give VE normal skin colors and hairstyles was considered a big win by majority of the playerbase. After that, the HE hardliner crowd get smaller.
1 Like