I feel like we should just get a standardized Thalassian race at this point, allowing people to choose the sub types of Quel/Ren & Sin’dorei respectively, but it’ll probably not be a thing until they do an overhaul of the character selection screen.
We’re kinda in a desert looking for water right now so any customization is good customization, lol.
I’d personally be content with them allowing Void Elves to change their Entropic Embrace. (Optional, as to not take away anything)
Exactly my point, these are not Ogre factions, they are mostly goblin sidekicks or in the Boulderfist’s case, represented by a half-draenei, half-orc Blademaster. You don’t see them act like the Silver Covenant, they aren’t really part of any Horde story, they’re just “there by association”.
That’s because, if we’re being honest, Jinyu and Hozen never were true allies of value to Horde or Alliance, they were local canonfodder for both factions, it’s pretty dark what we did to them.
Regarding Allied Races, I still don’t really understand why Blizzard doesn’t serve the fan favorites first. Bulky Amani trolls (also a fan demand) are right there, the setting would be perfect (just as any Thalassian elven stuff). Unless Blizzard doesn’t pull a BfA move and adds Amani (and maybe some VE and HE customizations?) in a later patch in Midnight, it looks like wasted potencial to me. Unfortunately,…
… that’s why it seems unlikely to see new AR later - which is sad, especially for the Horde / trolls.
Are we for real?
It would seem so!
There are two datamined Paladin Chargers for Void Elves and Kul Tirans.
You forget the Stonemaul clan.
They are not goblin sidekicks, and we have two entire quest hubs where they hand out quests.
They were old allies of the 2nd horde and Rexxar made them members of Thralls horde.
They have a pressence, but unlike the High Elves, blizzard don’t add them to the newer content.
(their last update was in Cata, I think)
Its still weird to me how blizzard makes NPCS and background characters pop up to show their races have joined the horde meanwhile the alliance seemingly make allies and abandon them afterwards.
The point was that High Elves are way more prominent in Alliance armed forces, Silver Covenant, etc, as opposed to the very limited presence of Ogres in the Horde.
Yes but I am very pedantic and wanted to correct them on the fact ogres do have a pressence in the story, as do many other minor horde allied races.
Right, I guess the context here matters a bit more cause the original statement Senti made was that Blizzard dangles High Elves infront of us all the time in said places, whereas Ogres and Sethrak (as Kaeros used as an argument) aren’t really that prominent in comparison.
They’re basically apples and oranges.
I can understand the frustation to an extend.
Blizzard going through every hoop and loop to give the alliance High elves in all but name while also showing off the Silver covenant at least once per expansion since WotLk.
But I am also of the opinion the true High elves are now members of the horde.
So they’re more like former allies that we visit from time to time, they don’t really play a part in the modern Horde - which is in contrast to the Silver Covenant on the Alliance side.
The Ogres are basically stored somewhere in the Horde’s attic, while the Alliance High Elves are basically the Alliance’s silver dishes that are used only on holidays.
And in my opinion, “presence” is too much. 
More like a “They haven’t been forgotten (yet).”
I would argue the half-draeneis statment about the boulderfists in the orc questline was a cheeky teaser, a sort of “wink wink we know you want them but not yet.” from blizzard.
So underused for sure but not forgotten.
I don’t think we’ll see ogres any time soon if at all, because the majoity playerbase wants “pretty” races while I am part of the weirdos who like my monster people to be monster ugly.
Yeah it’s pretty bad. 
And you’re not technically wrong, Sin’dorei are way more authentically Thalassian in that sense than the exiled Quel’dorei are at this point.
I think it’s the contrast between them that make both of them more interesting. The lore is there to back up both.
Alliance Quel’dorei are a bit like an elegant hippie off-shoot at this point, which does not compare to the grandeur of the Sin’dorei.
I mean if they really want to make High Elfs stand out, they should go with the Hinterlands group who gave up on magic, since that is such a massive pivot away from their roots.
But at the same time, if they made that an option, it be weird if they can be mages and other arcane classes, no?
Yeah, it would be an interesting direction!
I think there’s space for both archetypes - I think Dalaran culture as a whole has been prominent enough to act as a natural contrast to the Magisters of Silvermoon, the Helven Mages etc could come from that, along with the Silver Covenant.
If at some point High Elves have a more official unification, I think these three aspects would be a worthy ground to build them on.
Quel’Danil, general Dalarani High Elven survivors and the more focused Silver Covenant, not to mention the ones who are in Stormwind / serve in Alliance Grand Army.
They’ve got common ground, yet there’s enough differences between them to add some flavour to it all.
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I just don’t feel like it would make them pop out enough.
say you removed the colors and faction hatred from the silver covenat and i would be hard pressed to point to something that is special to them which the blood elves don’t already have.
I heard it said they are more natury, which I suppose they might be with all the farstriders among them, but I don’t think their farstriders are anymore natury than the blood elves. (at least it hasn’t been shown, as far as I know).
For all the flaws and as much as I disagree with their inclusion, the Void elves at least have the void to make them different from the blood elves.
But how much can we shift the High elf fantasy without renaming them to something else and still give them a thing that makes them stand out from the blood elves?
I don’t think magic tattos is gonna cut it and reducing their number of playable classes isn’t gonna do it either for gameplay reasons.
I have yet to hear a good suggestion to convince me it wouldn’t just be blue blood elves if we had them on offer now, and that does not interest me in the slightest.
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I suppose if blizzard removed the factions entierly, it wouldn’t matter if they were just a copy of the blood elves, but I don’t think blizzard is going to do that any time soon, even if all the new races are netural and sort of look like existing races normally bound to one faction.
I hear this said a lot - but the same could be said for the playable Wandering Isle Pandaren whose only differences were philosophical.
Blood and High Elves at this point in the game have accumulated more intriguing story material than the Pandaren ever did - and yet Pandaren can be playable on both factions.
And saying “But they come from a neutral background” doesn’t change the fact that the ones that joined are no longer neutral. They are official members of each faction.
It’s true, the Void Elves do bring a new look - but ultimately they still carry that Sin’dorei mentality as their leaders are basically the Sin’dorei archetype on steroids and got exiled for it. They were basically Ew’d out of the building due to their recklessness.
High Elves went in the other direction, they reverted on certain points where they’ve given up many things that once qualified them as the haughty race they once were.
Sin’dorei are the truest form of the og Thalassian Elf, and having playable Alliance High Elves doesn’t replace those amazing divas in Silvermoon. 
And they shouldn’t repeat a mistake.
The newer addition to the race roaster of neutral races however, fall into a similar trap, they aren’t really alliance or horde, just tourists and their inclusion feels more gameplay forced than lore driven.
The Earthen are the purest form of this, while the dracthyr and pandaren at least had different leaders who chose horde or alliance based off their vibe, the earthen don’t even get that.
But that is a rant for another time.
And that pulls me back to my personal stance against them.
a personality and attitude adjustment isn’t visually enough for me to consider the option worth while.
If the entire silver covenant went down into the haranir zone and got plant infused or if they made their own mini font of power which gave them nightborn like markings, it be different, but by then would you still call them High elves?
Edit:
ultimately I do think blizzard shot themselves in the foot with the Void elves, as they often do with many things.
because anything that isn’t drasticly different from the baseline model might as well be options for void/blood elves instead of a whole new thing.
I see what you’re saying but:
High Elves would be the most worthy candidate of Blizzards consistent dual-faction-implementation. They wouldn’t be tourists who need justification because their place in the world has been solidified since as early as 2004.
And like we talked about earlier, Blizzard keeps dangling them infront of us! It’s all so illogical at this point.
I agree with you on some level, but Blizzards stance on it seems rather forthcoming at this point. They do one thing, but say another. People are tired.
They could at least try to be consistent.
Yeah, that’s the rub. We’d have to say good bye to High Elves as a separate AR, but we’d have them all but in name on the alliance, and that’s good enough for me.
Amani could still be added. They technically are, but in a messed up way the void elf customisations were.