Retribution FIX for unused and weak talents! Feedback and ideas appreciated

Hello Dev team, hope you’re seeing this.

The new paladin tree rework has been a breath of fresh air but its clear that a lot of the new talents have been undercut in fear of being too OP and are a bit meh in terms of power. Here is my list of ideal changes for Retribution that would fix the spec to be competitive again in PvP.

  • Divine Protection: is no longer reduced by 50% in PVP. - 10% damage reduction on a 1 min CD is a joke lets be real here.
  • Sanctified Plates: is no longer reduced by 50% in PVP. - Retribution is the lowest HP plate spec and one of the lowest HP specs across the board mainly due to this nerf alone. It dont feel good being full pvp gear and sitting in a lobby with guys with greens having more HP on a mail/cloth class. It dont fit the class fantasy at all
  • Avenging Wrath: is no longer reduced by 50% in PVP. - This is long overdue. Retribution paladin is known for its strong Avenging Wrath windows and right now they strike no fear onto the opponent at all. And considering most people play Radiant Glory making wings last only 8-9 secs now days its ridiculous its not back to full power yet
  • Divine Wrath: increase duration of Avenging Wrath by 4 secs (24 sec total -1min cd / Crusade by 6 secs (33 sec total - 2min cd). Now works with radiant glory at 50% effectiveness (+2sec avenging wrath / +3sec crusade). - this is a absolute must as this talent better off removed then left as it is it will open for better plays with radiant glory too as a lot of times time runs out cos ur in a full cc and cant even get to use ur hammer of light in the short window it gives.
  • Blessing of Spellwarding: has been moved to Paladin talent tree as a choice talent with Blessing of Protection. - This is needed as it is impossible to pick up meaningful pvp talents when playing casters (rets weakness) making you have to drop damage/utility just to replace your BoP with Spellwarding when it could simply be a choice talent between them since you never run both. Can make it ret only if you dont want other specs having access to it.
  • Improved Blessing of Protection: Reduces cooldown of BoP/BoS by 1.5 min (was 1 min). - the current talent is far too weak to pick up. Long cds are just not healthy game design if you need to reduce duration of BoP down to 8 secs but lower cds are always better
  • Divine Spurs: Divine Steed CD reduced by 15 secs and duration by 3 secs. - This talent is an insult in its current state. It literally does nothing but make your steed weaker than without it.
  • Steed of Liberty: Divine Steed also grants Blessing of Freedom for 8 secs (was 3). -Nobody will ever pick this unless it becomes full duration freedom. Even with the 8 sec freedom most people would prefer using freedom manually and separately in most situations. Unbowned freedom with this talent currently gives you 3 sec freedom and nearby ally 8 secs lol cmon now thats just silly
  • Lead the Charge: Divine Steed reduces cooldown of 4 nearby allies by 50%. (was 3 secs) This would make strategic use of the steed allowing you to use if after your ally uses a movement ability such as a warriors charge of mages blink giving them a longer reduction and using it badly such as when their cd is almost ready will result in less reduction. This is good game design and will open up more options for ret to play with as right now only like 2 comps are viable.
  • Stoicism: Stun durations reduced by 30% (no longer reduced in pvp combat) - honestly cant understand why add this and then reduce it in pvp combat when only time anyone would use it is pvp. Either make it a flat 30% reduction to stuns or make it that either divine steed or hand of freedom used on self while stunned removes stuns like it used to be in WotLK
  • Holy Reprieve: Forbearance duration reduced by 15 secs (was 10) - nobody picks this up as its not strong enough. Either buff it or remove the talent entirely and give the 10 sec reduction by default
  • Light’s Countenance: Cooldown of Repentance reduced by 15 sec and Blinding light reduced by 30 secs (was 15 for both). talent is only worth picking up if you play repentance atm. This will make it more appealing for Blinding Light users too
  • Blessed Calling: Allies effected by your blessings have 30% increased movement speed (was 15%). Nobody plays this as its too weak. Maybe this would make it more attractive but maybe needs to be reworked to a different talent entirely.
  • Divine Auxiliary: Final Reckoning and Execution Sentence now grant 5 Holy Power (was 3). - was a useless talent nobody picked up. with this its more appealing

Hope these reach the dev team soon as these changes are really easy to make and would make the spec so much more enjoyable and competitive.

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Honestly all those talents needs reworks as nobody actually uses them. just dead talents right now

Im not sure what to do with blessing of spellwarding tbh maybe remove and replace with something better

the divine protection and avenging wrath pvp nerfs need to be reverted i agree

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Did you just create this post, liked it with all your alts - then added a reply with one of your other characters then liked that reply too with your alts.

That’s wild :skull:

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He actually did this, yeah. Absolute cringe level over 9000.

All of this is just “overbuff my specc into infinity and beyond so i can finally achieve something”. These suggestions are bad and you should feel bad.

Commenting on your own post, with an alt. Wow.

I love how toxic all your replies reporting all for trolling none of u gave any responses to anything i suggested clearly you didn’t read as most things there are useless talents that need to be buffed but ok focus on what you wanna focus on.

Youre responses says alot about this trash community i only replied cos pst was falling down without anyone looking at it. Its not that big of a deal

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I play ret, and agree with some of what you say, however, you lost all that when you decided to post on an alt to agree with yourself.

Think, if your post has 0 responses, then perhaps you reword and try again.

And pointing that out, is not toxic. It’s actually normal behavior. Unlike responding to ones own post.

this isnt politics. i replied to get post to top so people can see it. calm down its not that deep at all

maybe focus on responding to what i wrote instead of that would be nice.

Well, its actually quite like politics, in the sense you tried to make your post look more popular through deception.

You could have “bumped” your post with the same char. But didn’t. Dont get butthurt because you got caught and called out. SMH.

Just delete the post, no one cared to respond to it, until you did yourself. dont have time for time wasters on here. have also reported your last post myself. :slight_smile:

So, good day, cry baby.

reported my post for being constructive feedback?

ok buddy! :rofl:

“i didnt deny it u donkey so move on with ur fish brain”

You arent grown up enough to understand you made yourself look like a complete fool, so you respond making yourself look like even more of a fool, while calling others toxic, with comments like the one above.

Just wow, if you had more than one braincell, you might understand. But you clearly don’t, so will leave it at that. :wink:

my post is legit. your responses have nothing to do with the post.

just straight up tryina troll me on a level 26 rogue LOL ur the real clown here mate.

upoting a post dont compare to completely ignoring the post and topic entirely and straight up trolling again and again

Ok, reporting all your posts for spam.

I literally did. Your suggestions are horrible and should not be taken seriously by the devs.

It was falling down because it’s bad and need to fall down.

When you reply from an alt saying “i agree” as if you were a different person then yes, it is actually a deal.

Aaaaaand there are the insults. Enjoy your forum vacation. (PS: that is not contructive feedback or “legit”, it’s literally just an insult. Glad i could be of service schooling you, sad i had to though.)

Oh no, we are so scared! :scream:

:rofl:

Why don’t you ignore him?
Its a good feature.