That was kind of my point. I criticized his praising of his own skill in a random bg and he bashed my rating in another bracket.
Edit: He managed to bash people trying to gear up i BG aswell.
I talked about âperformanceâ in those previous posts, and not âskillâ per sĂ©, you started that 
And for context:
Because I donât get it: If you want me to 1. not care about the performance of my team and 2. not care if I lose BGs, then that same should apply to you, right? Then why do you create these forum threads in the first place? Be happy losing your games with your horrible team performance and move on 
No, the truth is you want to have a fair chance of winning BGs, and therefore the team performance is important, and you do the best to contribute (I hopeâŠ). If you had 5 losses in a row with your âpeople gearing up in BGsâ against well-performing enemies (although not a premade) you guys would still come to the forums and just find the next reason to cry aboutâŠ
To me, those players knowingly queueing as healer with 300k hp (new players excluded) can suck it 100%
There is absolutely nothing wrong playing bgs as a fully geared guy. Or being someone that donât want to play with people that only have 300k HP.
I hate it too, having a guy being fresh 70 with zero gear in the team sucks. If you have too many of those on your side you already know its over.
And this Situation is the exact same when you see you are against Premade, its over before it started.
You said it yourself, a Premade vs a bunch of randoms isnât fair. Thats my whole point here (beside the thing with the screenshot).
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No hate but why dont you just que blitz? Its basically solo random bgs tied to rating (in the future).
Just because I que with friends, doesnt mean I wanna try hard. If I want to fight another premade group, I join rated battlegrounds. If I que with friends I just wanna join a random chill bg vs randoms.
Are you talking with me? If so:
Blitz and random bgs are two different things. Would be the same when i ask you why you donât play Arena with your friends instead of doing random bgs with them?
And i donât like blitz, Mount speed and those buffs there are stupid for me. (if you really were curious about that).
So you see it too, Premade vs randoms is unfair.
No honestly, that wouldnt be the same question. I can understand however you dont like blitz. I like only like 2 maps.
Yes premading has it advantages. Unfair? Only if itâs 10 man.
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The gear imbalance that is only prevalent in unrated, casual content. These are fully geared people stomping noobs with no gear instead of playing against people with equal gear. For a reason. Hint: because theyâre garbage at rated.
âImagine performing like this in an unrated BG as an MM Hunter just to lose and haveâŠnothing happenâ xd
Do you or do you not accept that fully geared premade random battleground players disincentivise and demotivate new, casual, and learning players from playing PvP?
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Whether people have socializing issues, are incapable of winning or just donât want to join prearranged groups, they should by all means still be able to expect to meet other random players and not full premade groups, when they sign up for a random bg. Because thankfully in random bgs there is not a whole set of requirements before you are able to join.
Obviously there are issues with forming rbgs, as in very time consuming as an example, but just saying that because players have a problem or 2 with rbgs then itâs not okay to go and ruin another type of bgs, the random ones.
I could also say, just adapt and join a pvp community, find new friends and try something else, but Iâm not that daft. Instead I hope that Blizzard would adjust their design, so those caught in between rbgs and random bgs with their 5-man and full premade would find a new playground thatâs unrated.
Maybe something like 2 different queues for solo joiners and teams.
In the meantime, stop ruining the fun for everyone else and STAY OUT of the random bgs with your premades.
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Thatâs the bottom line really. Itâs probably why Blizzard will cut this short. Random battlegrounds are still for people who either are still learning or trying to up their gear or just people who have yet to join some community where they can group for more organized content. Itâs the reason why Blizzard will probably cut this premade madness short.
Anyway, donât mind a small group of people teaming up. Thatâs fine. But I was in battlegrounds where they just graveyard camped randoms until the timer ran out. Why? Why humiliate these people? And you dare say something, they vote you afk. What also gets me is when their groups donât synchronize properly and they just refuse entry leaving the team with a starting disadvantage. A lot of inconveniences adding up.
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pre-made leader fools gotta realise that pvp is so unattractive to play bc they gatekeep and squeeze the curiosity out of the new and returning.
Not interested in ratings in the slightest, they mean nothing, same as titles, ranks etc they mean absolutely nothing to me. Also the game modes in Blitz are just crap, if they give us basic BGâs back and a solo shuffle and not linked to ratings that casual players literally couldnât give a monkeys about, then there will finally be a BG worth playing that hopefully doesnât get crippled by all these muppets looking for easy wins.
So after these people have geared up and have enough knowledge to play their class/spec competently they are no longer allowed to queue for unrated BGs but must play RBGs instead?
I donât like RBGs personally. It brings out all the worst aspects in most people. If youâre not playing with guildies or a group of friends itâs a toxic cesspool. Why would I want to subject myself to that?
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Never said that. Donât put words in my mouth please. In randoms the majority will be either noobs or players still gearing up. That was the point.
And we are not talking about a geared guy owning noobs in randoms. We are talking about large groups attempting to dodge the system by synchronizing their queues.
This is a mantra that you repeat. Whenever you target random BG, most of the enemies are usually people between 900-1000k health. Unequipped people are usually a minority. Anyway, I do premades and Iâm still gearing up my chars.
Nobody has to join a battleground with anything less than 463 ilvl from crafted pvp greens that you can buy dirt cheap on the AH on most servers. Maybe they donât typically play bgs and are ignorant about PvP gear, but after a few rounds they should notice that they are significantly weaker than other players and that it has something to do with their gear. They can read up on how gearing works and actually buy that armor instead of sabotaging their team with their terrible performance.
Thatâs exactly what you should do and there is nothing daft about it.
Or else what?
Itâs allowed and always has been.
Itâs not our fault that you play a multiplayer game alone by choice.
This would just inflate queue times, so no.
They should rather consider Leechesâ idea and give players a 5% handicap for every player they bring into the round, stacking up to four times so that you have 20% less health, healing and damage done with 5 group members.
This is just plain wrong. Casual bgs, that is random, epic bgs and brawls, are for EVERYONE, regardless of skill and gear. All group sizes from 1 to 5 players are allowed. Any attempt to exclude any type of these players is illegitimate.
Then you are talking about queue syncing / premade raids which are an entirely different issue from small groups.
You donât have to play solo RBG for rating if you donât like.
In your case, your mmr will only ensure that you get opponents and teammates appropriate for your skill level.
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Agree in most except in the leechesâ idea.
Imagine that you are defending alone as Dps a base and 1000k Dh attack you.
Leechesâ idea seems terrible to me and it benefits him who usually play accompanied by another healer (Thatâs why he ask for the handicap for 3 players or more, but not for a group of 2).
For example, in a 10man bg, a premade of just 2 good healers could have a greater impact than a premade with just 5 dps whose team has 2 mediocre/low geared random healers. However, the handicap only applies to the second group in the example.
In my opinion, the best thing they can do is simply eliminate gear progression in instanced pvp and have everyone come in with 489 Ilvl automatically.
Nothing ruins the PvP experience more than gear differences.
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It is very well possible that he tailored this idea to benefit him personally, but itâs true that playing in a full 5 stack has many advantages over going alone. As you can see, I also modified his idea slightly and made it a linear 5%, but the exact tuning is of course debatable. Nonetheless, I think if they want to do something to help solo players and smaller groups over 5 stacks, this is the way to go and preferable over other options like separating queues.
You can make a group of fully conquest geared players with high rated xp, bring multiple skilled healers and ensure that the quality of a significant amount of your team is way above average. A group like this is almost unstoppable, unless you have a similar group in your own team.
I like playing in groups, but I also understand how this can feel very oppressive if you find yourself on the receiving end. Itâs not unreasonable to introduce a mechanic that evens the odds at least a little bit.
If a handicap was introduced, premade players can compensate the lack of fighting power with superior coordination and better focus on the objectives. In your example of defending a base, you could call upon your teammates and you can be sure that at least 4 people care about your call and will come to aid you if they can, as opposed to unreliable randoms who often donât care about objectives.
In a CTF match, 4 somewhat weakened players hunting down the efc are more effective than players at full power who never even connect and fight mid instead.
Premade players wouldnât lose that many more games in total, because they donât just outgear their opponents, but win by playing smarter.
Sure, but gear isnât the only factor here.
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These are entry level, beginner BGâs where you should absolutely expect to find people with poor gear and not much of a clue. You donât go to non league football matches and expect Champion League quality football, do you? If youâre expecting everybody to be fully geared, know all kinds of watching-the-tv-1-button-macros, map pinning, tactics and all the rest⊠youâre in the wrong venue. Players have used the random BGâs as a place to gear up since they were formed, the big issue with that is the gear disparity is beyond a joke from the way it used to be. Iâve been in games in green gear in previous expansions and had far more of an impact in games than fully geared players with massive honour levels, cos having gear and honour levels doesnât guarantee you better players. Youâre joining beginner BGâs and wanting people to be already geared and know the score, as I said, wrong venue.
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But it seems that they are going for precisely it with their Blitz mode. Which I like almost every aspect of besides the queue time (with ten added minutes of declines). Still, looking forward to it: Iâll have my perfect chaotic games in Blitz mode and premadesâll continue their newplayers stomping in normal battlegrounds.
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Whatâs it like having someone live rent free in your head. Still got those screenshots of me on your PC?
Also Leeches only plays with me, and both of us play mostly DPS. Go figure.
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