So I played warlock in arena for years and enjoyed it but my god over the years it became more of a pain in the butt due to every melee having infinite gap closers. Swapped to melee the other day, full blue pvp set, 2.1 mmr in shuffle and actually winning rounds quite easily.
I feel like (as good as it was) Legion was the beginning of this zoomer class design where casters just aren’t allowed to cast. Before that, I feel like arena had a fairly interesting balance where you could actually get a few casts off.
Now you constantly have to duke and track all interrupts, micro interrupts, gap closers, etc. Then because the CD’s are so low you have to retrack them again.
Don’t get me wrong, I dont want to go back to 40 minute games, but there should be a better balance imo.
“Yes, there is a hidden baseline Starting MMR for fresh characters in World of Warcraft’s Solo Shuffle. Historically, this baseline is set around 1500 MMR, but depending on current season inflation or your account’s past PvP history, the system may place you anywhere between 1500 and 2000 MMR in your very first lobby. “
Starting mmr for fresh characters in shuffle is 2269 regardless of what chatgpt told you there.
Because your point is completely meaningless. It always depends entirely on the lobby if you dominate or get dominated. Put me in a lobby with bm, havoc and assa as destro and i got 0-6 no matter how good i play and/or how bad the other players are. Put me in a lobby with arms and 2 rogues as destro and i go 6-0 no matter what.
And you say playing melee is easier based on your 2.1 shuffle experience? Bro, try to play a warrior in a tripple caster lobby (preferebly with frost mage, ele and affli for maximum aids) on mugambala or tol viron and then tell me how easy that was. I actually stopped playing ww because of how infuriating most of my lobbies were (i might go back to it since i at least want 2.3 on it for w/e reason).
Just so you understand what i mean, here are my lobbies on this very warlock, which i have touched shuffle with for the first time in this expansion (i have played other locks because belf racial is just horrible trash compared to velf or hmt) and my second warrior: https://i.imgur.com/1VRmM5D.png https://i.imgur.com/h9cB2P2.png
Mind you i don’t only play warlock and warrior. As i said i also play ww and mage and i had the BY FAR easiest time on mage compared to all these classes/speccs. Mage is the class where you’re the least at other peoples mercy. On warlock if your healer doesn’t know how to play with lock you just lose because every port can mean death. As warrior, you HAVE to offensive which means your teammates have to enable you and the healer has to be able to avoid cc. So yeah, long story long, i speak from personal experience.
Ret pala is classed as melee yet 90% of it’s damage abilities are ranged, should Ret pala be reclassified as mid range and put in the same bracket as Dev DH? Most melee now have ranged abilities and a lot of gap closer’s this is fact. Most also have ranged CC, Storm Bolt, Strangulate etc.
As a caster range you don’t have 100% uptime. You need to stand still to cast your best spells, if you’re running and kiting a melee you’re not doing 100% of your damage, so no, range don’t have 100% damage uptime. Except hunter they do have 100% damage uptime as range.
almost never happens, play a caster and your against something like uhdk, war, assa, enha, havoc 90% of the lobbys. The game has more melees than casters and shuffle has stupid algorithms trying first prevent same specs in same game so it rather gives you some havoc or uhdk and enh to come train you than another warlock.
It’s easier to play melee than caster
Only in battlegrounds, arena there is only disadvantage as no one gains any distance from anyone when the game has unlimited mobility.
Yea the melee has with their unlimited mobility and instant hits while the caster actually would have to be able to cast his dmg, which he cant do when his running.
You can hit them while running, they cant cast while kiting. Also time your mobility and cc and cds when you have them pinned down. I dont see a problem unless there is some limitations between ears in the team and they dont understand basic targets like warlock and how to chase them. I’ve seen people hit random targets while war is alone trying to disrupt lock and other ppl in team are doing 1v1 in narnia with something else which is not even the target.
This is true, uhdk and retri has long time ago stop being melees. You cant kite either nor do they care if some is not on their melee range. They got so much range dmg and cc with range and mobility that anyone trying to kite any melee in the game is just nonissue to the melee.
Also true but they missed it. Hard to tell what they even play when they post from classic toons. Could be anything from retri to uhdk to dh or something else that goes zugzug hard and says skill wins.
I dont even count bm or ele as caster when they just zugzug dmg unbotheredly if some goes on them or not. They can be range dps but if the discussion is which is easier melee or caster then the melee is always easier than caster, I would say melee is 100% easier than caster. Caster is likely 100% harder.
I love it when I am in all caster lobby and my healer and ranged don’t cross their max range if their life depended on an the only cc on enemy healer is my incap LOL. So as WW i am forced to play pika boo with pillars an then get yelled at why am I doing no pressure.
Honorable mention for that ret/frost mage lobby when I got called useless by team boomkin evm tho Windwalker is literally useless against those 2 specs if they got hand on keyboards.
Life of true melees like ww and war is hell in caster lobbies.
Just give up. These guys want to cope and will ignore any argument against their narrative. Even when it comes from someone that plays multiple classes.
That’s why my big post explaining things is just ignored.
Theres more melee than caster in the game, and bm and ele doesnt count as caster. Does this happen often to you then that you are only melee midst casters?
For me its the opposite whenever I que warlock I get mix of enha, havoc, uhdk, retri, war, bm, assa and they will all train warlock of course and there will not be as much casting as there is trying to stay alive and finding brief window to do something.
And there is no such thing as team peeling for warlock in shuffles. I’ve had countless retri in team who never sac or bop or war who dont intercept or disarm assa or just do anything at all to play as team, no you play 1v3 as warlock in shuffle. I got 2300 for season and its not much but its enough for me as lock and I dont care touch it further it sucks.
Melee can also hit you with instants when you would have to cast while all of them are focusing you. Melee is easier to play than caster hence. Melee dont have to think when they can cast or try juke (lol they removed viable tracking of kicks guess who benefit from that casters or melee) yeah melee is easier mechanical wise to play if we would do caster vs melee comparison for PvP which was the ops topic.
There are things more important for a healer than DPS n HPS
Not overextending defensives, ur cc evasion ratio with death n fade, dispell management n overall understanding of moments when to push and when to turtle
I bet you know this alrdy, but I’m pretty sure it works
I don’t get your arogst attitude . I know this stuff and I do everything I can mechanics wise in my kit .
If I was so nub as you probably presume , I wouldn’t go to to toe in some lobbies vs healers that have gladiator titles .
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Also modest at the same one asking for a solution, show me how you would vary mages and hunters in blue gear that don’t use turtle or ice block and die in a micro cc on you window . 6/6 rounds for both healers . That was my story last night in 6 shufle rounds .
I don’t have insane HPS like an evoker on holy and don’t have panic buttons neither . That’s why I always prioritize cc and rotate ofensive dispells and defensive ones .
But yes, be arrogant and presume I suck .
I learned long time a go to not continue a discussion. You made up , your mind and flagged me in a certain spot .
